How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

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How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by nadcarve » Thu, 13 May 2010 10:27:09



I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay, and
a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was thinking
of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above ground..The hope
that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you for any and all
ideas.

--
nadcarves

 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by Un » Thu, 13 May 2010 12:05:29


In most places clay and sand occur together in layers.  So one tactic
is to dig a hole deep enough to reach a layer of sand, and fill the
hole with sand.  Get soil maps for your area, or talk with local well
diggers about what to expect below the surface.

How many vines?

        Una

 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by David Hare-Scot » Thu, 13 May 2010 12:26:38


Quote:

> I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay,
> and a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was
> thinking of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above
> ground..The hope that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you
> for any and all ideas.

Plant them in a mound that is above the clay.  If there is a row instead on
a single plant then build a raised bed.  The roots will extend downwards
into the clay given time and some rain during the growing season.  This is
how I have planted all my fruit trees in an area with plastic clay subsoil
and I haven't lost one due to wet roots in a region that can get 25cm (10in)
of rain in a week.  This will not work so well if the area is really flat or
in a depression because with nowhere to run the water will sit for long
periods until it evaporates.  You cannot grow grapes in a bog.

David

 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by Bill » Thu, 13 May 2010 13:58:39



Quote:

> I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay, and
> a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was thinking
> of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above ground..The hope
> that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you for any and all
> ideas.

Hmmm. I know of several vineyards here in N. California that used to get
flooded every couple of years to no apparent ill effect (weeks at a
time, but then the grapes were dormant). I've always presumed that the
soil was clay, since this is an old laguna. I'm going by a winery
tomorrow and I'll see if I can find a viticulturalist. No promises, but
I'll ask.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by Bob » Thu, 13 May 2010 14:03:56


Quote:

> I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay,
> and a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was
> thinking of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above
> ground..The hope that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you
> for any and all ideas.

When I planted grapes in an area that frequently had standing water in the
winter, I planted them in big pots with the bottom cut out. They were maybe 18"
diameter at the top, with maybe 1 foot above the ground. 5 of six survived, and
the trunks are now about 4-5 inches in diameter.
 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by Bill » Fri, 14 May 2010 04:55:47


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Quote:



> > I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay, and
> > a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was thinking
> > of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above ground..The hope
> > that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you for any and all
> > ideas.

> Hmmm. I know of several vineyards here in N. California that used to get
> flooded every couple of years to no apparent ill effect (weeks at a
> time, but then the grapes were dormant). I've always presumed that the
> soil was clay, since this is an old laguna. I'm going by a winery
> tomorrow and I'll see if I can find a viticulturalist. No promises, but
> I'll ask.

I forgot to ask what kind of grapes are these and how old are they? Most
importantly, what kind of rootstock are they on?
<http://www.californiagrapevine.com/rootstockchart.htm>
As you can see, some rootstocks are meant for wet clay conditions.
What kind of soil are these vines planted in now?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by piedmon » Fri, 14 May 2010 07:53:16



Quote:

> I need to transplant my grape vines,or lose them. The soil is clay, and
> a simple hole will just form a grape killing water tub. I was thinking
> of making a log liner with Osage pieces and going above ground..The hope
> that I can keep the roots out of water.... Thank you for any and all
> ideas.

> --
> nadcarves

I have clay here and i don't have a problem, clay isn'y as bad as some
think, i did at first when i moved here from indiana and nice brown loam but
grow fine roses, etc, i did replace the clay with potting soil but not much
else need to happen, clay can hold a massive amount of water but will just
as easily release it. hence the from concrete to glop in one rain fall than
the summer sun turns it back to cement, ha, ha,
--
regards, piedmont (michael)
The Practical BBQ'r - http://sites.google.com/site/thepracticalbbqr/
(mawil55) Hardiness Zone 7-8
 
 
 

How do you plant grapes in CLAY?

Post by dr-s.. » Mon, 17 May 2010 00:30:38


yes!!!  this is what I would do.  or construct a raised Garden for them.  Mine like
clay too, but they are on a slope.  INgrid

Quote:

>When I planted grapes in an area that frequently had standing water in the
>winter, I planted them in big pots with the bottom cut out. They were maybe 18"
>diameter at the top, with maybe 1 foot above the ground. 5 of six survived, and
>the trunks are now about 4-5 inches in diameter.

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