They're both on the list but it is restricted to participants. Get in touch
with Petra and she may be able to get them in touch with you.
> Remember Petra from Germany, who makes the apr-X-maslist every year? She
> asked om FB if you want to be on it... she didn't have your address
We are moving, and it is simply madness around here.
I will be out of touch for a week or more.
Take good care, all.