Need help....may have sick rabbit!!

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Need help....may have sick rabbit!!

Post by Bullygrl » Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:00:00



Hello rabbit lovers,
    I have a question that no one can seem to answer.  Maybe some of you can
help me out with this one.
    My rabbit is kept on a diet of pellets.  Once in a while she will get a
small carrot or some fresh lettuce.  I don't know what fiber contents are in
her pellets.  I know the pellets need at least 18% minimum fiber.  I get the
bunnies food at Wal-Marts and I have the guy scoop a bag full and put it in a
brown bag and then I pay for it that way. So I don't know what fiber contents
are in her food.
    Well, the problem is that my rabbit is having soft stools.  She has her
regular bunny poop, and once in a while the "grape cluster" poop.  Now with her
regular poop she is getting this "glob" of poop and sometimes it smells.  I
don't know what I should do??  Does her food have a fiber deificancy in it?  I
don't know what could be wrong.  Someone told me to get some hay, especially
Timothy hay.  Would that help?  Do you think I should change her food and get
the right fiber contents and also get her the Timothy hay?
    Any help would be greatly appreciated, and could you please respond via
e-mail because I don't check the message posts everyday.
Thanks,
Ashley and (Bostwick-rabbit)
 
 
 

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Post by MoxShorP » Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Hi Ashley,
It dies sound like it could be a problem realted to diet.  A diet too high in
protein and carbohydrates can cause mushy blobs of poops.  Most rabbit foods
have too much protein and too little fiber, and if there is no nutritional
analyses for the food you are feeding, then I would look into another brand.
They have to give the customer nutritional information so I would ask someone
at the store to find it for you.  I would guess that these pellets are too high
in protein and too low in fiber.
Do you free feed pellets?  Bunnies that are over the age of seven months and
are healthy need to have their pellets rationed, as they just don't need free
access to concentrated sources of nutrients and calories that pellets provide.
A general rule of thumb is 1/4 cup pellets per five pounds of bunny, but this
can vary.  It would be a good idea to have a veterinarian asses her health and
weight and work with you with a diet change.  It may be that bunny needs to
lose some weight also.  Remember to go slowly with any diet changes.  However,
you can start to offer hay.  Timothy hay is a grass hay and is high in fiber
and low in protein so it is a good hay to use.  Any grass hay is fine but
alfalfa, which is a legume hay, should be avoided.  
What I would do would be to have the veterinarian give bunny a physical, give
her a clean bill of health and can discuss her weight, start to slowly switch
pellet brands to something like Purina High Fiber or Kaytee Rainbow Exact, and
to start offering a good quality grass hay.  The good thing is that the best
hay is not the stuff in those expensive bags at the pet store, but from a farm
or a feed store.  You can start to incorporate more vegetables into her diet
once the mushy poop problem is resolved.  Good ones to try are parsley,
dandelion leaves, romaine lettuce (no iceberg), kale, broccoli, cilantro, etc.
Carrots are higher in sugar and too much of any kind of sugar isn't the best
for bunnies, so I tend to use them more as treats.
There is great diet info at www.rabbit.org/  They also have a list of
veterinarians by state if you don't have one yet.  I have had two bunnies with
this problem, and the diet changes I talked about solved them.  I had my
veterinarian give them a check up though first, to make sure they were healthy.
Good luck:)
Kris
Looking for a bunny friend in Western New York?  Hop on down to the Erie County
SPCA, Tonawanda, NY.    We may have just the right rabbit companion for you.
 
 
 

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Post by BSati » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>A general rule of thumb is 1/4 cup pellets per five pounds of bunny,

This is only if the bunny is getting lots of fresh veggies, fruits, and hay -
otherwise a bunny would slowly starve to death on that amount.
If the pellet is the main diet, even with hay being fed - which it is for a lot
of bunnies, the bunny needs 1/2 cup per 5 lbs of body weight.
Ann Bledsoe -- Bledsoe's Bunnies
Breeder of Quality Satin Rabbits
Chinchilla
Broken Chinchilla
Black Otter
 
 
 

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Post by BSati » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>switch
>pellet brands to something like Purina High Fiber or Kaytee Rainbow Exact,

I would never list Purina and Kay-Tee together like that!!  Kay-Tee is a
petstore brand (I sell pet care products in my store and have all the product
information on it) and it is NOT very good for the rabbits.  The main problem
with it is that the fiber is ground too fine and can cause enteritic problems,
it is also too high in protien and too low in fiber.  If I remember right
Kay-Tee is 18% protein and the only rabbit that needs 18% protein is a brood
doe on an excellerated breeding program!

If the original poster would post where she lives, I might be able to direct
her to a good feed available in her area - not all feeds are available in all
areas.
Ann Bledsoe -- Bledsoe's Bunnies
Breeder of Quality Satin Rabbits
Chinchilla
Broken Chinchilla
Black Otter

 
 
 

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Post by Laura Tessme » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> >switch
> >pellet brands to something like Purina High Fiber or Kaytee Rainbow Exact,

> I would never list Purina and Kay-Tee together like that!!  Kay-Tee is a
> petstore brand (I sell pet care products in my store and have all the product
> information on it) and it is NOT very good for the rabbits.  The main problem
> with it is that the fiber is ground too fine and can cause enteritic problems,
> it is also too high in protien and too low in fiber.  If I remember right
> Kay-Tee is 18% protein and the only rabbit that needs 18% protein is a brood
> doe on an excellerated breeding program!

Kay-Tee Rainbow Exact is an acceptable food for rabbits. It's a bit hiher
in fat than I normally like to recommend, but it is lower in calcium than
most of the commercial pellets on the market. It's not ideal, but I'd like
to see rabbits eating that over a number of other pellets. It does seem to
be very good for bunnies who are older and have a hard time holding
weight but are sensitive to calcium levels.

It's not 18% protein, you must be thnking about another of the Kaytee
products. Unfortunately, their website isn't finished and they don't have
lists of their product labels and my folder of labels is still in a box
somewhere.

take cae,
laura

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Post by Laura Tessme » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> >A general rule of thumb is 1/4 cup pellets per five pounds of bunny,

> This is only if the bunny is getting lots of fresh veggies, fruits, and hay -
> otherwise a bunny would slowly starve to death on that amount.
> If the pellet is the main diet, even with hay being fed - which it is for a lot
> of bunnies, the bunny needs 1/2 cup per 5 lbs of body weight.

Of course, different pellet brands have different calories per cup so
depending on which pellet you are feeding you want to adjust this
appropriately. And, the smaller rabbit breds have a higher caloric
requirement per pound of body weight, so you'll need to adjust accordingly
as well.

One example is that when I was fostering a 3 pound ND, she was getting 1/4
cup of pellets a day-- and this was her reducing diet (she was overweight
when we got her and we were trying to slim her down to an acceptable
weight). At the same time, Bear and Flower (14 lbs of bunny between the
two of them) were getting only 1/2 a cup of pellets a day to share.

Tucker (my 4 1/2 pound Fuzzy lop) eats twice the amount of Bear (my 9 1/2
pounder). Neither of them are changing weight.

The amounts per pound are acceptable *guidelines* but individual bunnies
have different requirments and need to be fed individually.

laura
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Post by Celia Moor » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Thanks Laura, I was panicking that my 1.7 pound Bunnie was being waaaaaay
overfed! Wow, either I've got his weight wrong, and I know that was the
weight that came up when we weighed him pre spay, or there are some Large
buns out there! No offence, but then Bunnie Is a dwarf........Would it be ok
to get him a Bigger friend?Say 4lbs? Or would the new one squash him or
something? They look so adorable the bigger ones... Never seen much bigger
here in the Uk though, but I know we have them somewhere........
Bunnie gets a handful per day btw, I have small hands so I guess that's
1/4 - 1/2 cup, but he leaves some as he Much prefers the fresh food he gets
and his hay. His coat gleams and he's not overweight so I guess I must have
it right for him.

Celia and Bunnie. (Yummm fresh food! Bring it on mum!)

 
 
 

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Post by MoxShorP » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Hi Ann,
I posted about Kaytee as it is at least better than most of the pet store
brands from what I have seen, and it is easier to get for some people while
they are trying to find someone who sells Purina (In my area, this took some
doing as one place wanted to charge me forty dollars to ship it!!) The Purina
High Fiber is a lab rabbit diet, and Purina told me only certified lab rabbit
diet dealers can sell it.  The closest place in NYS that sold it was in Long
Island, naturally.
I should have made it more clear that Purina is definitely the preferred brand,
and that Kaytee would really be more of something that is okay:)
Kris
Looking for a bunny friend in Western New York?  Hop on down to the Erie County
SPCA, Tonawanda, NY.    We may have just the right rabbit companion for you.
 
 
 

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Post by MoxShorP » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


It seems like my Punkin gains weight when I go above a 1/4 cup, even without
veggies (he is so picky).  So I guess it is more of a guideline just so people
can gain perspective on how much that rabbits can survive on in comparison to
what they may be feeding, or free feeding.  I know some vets don't advise
feeding any pellets, which is not something I feel comfortable with.
Kris

Looking for a bunny friend in Western New York?  Hop on down to the Erie County
SPCA, Tonawanda, NY.    We may have just the right rabbit companion for you.

 
 
 

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Post by Laura Tessme » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Thanks Laura, I was panicking that my 1.7 pound Bunnie was being waaaaaay
> overfed!

1.7 pound or 1.7kg? (You're in the UK, that's why I ask).

Quote:
> Wow, either I've got his weight wrong, and I know that was the
> weight that came up when we weighed him pre spay, or there are some Large
> buns out there! No offence, but then Bunnie Is a dwarf........Would it be ok
> to get him a Bigger friend?Say 4lbs? Or would the new one squash him or
> something? They look so adorable the bigger ones... Never seen much bigger
> here in the Uk though, but I know we have them somewhere........

*snerk* My Flower is 4 3/4 pounds and the love of her life, Bear, is
almost twice her size. Occasionally he gets amorous and mounts her, and
she disappears and no one seems worse the wear for it. Size isn't really
an issue, IMO.

Quote:
> Bunnie gets a handful per day btw, I have small hands so I guess that's
> 1/4 - 1/2 cup, but he leaves some as he Much prefers the fresh food he gets
> and his hay. His coat gleams and he's not overweight so I guess I must have
> it right for him.

Um... IIRC there aren't many pelleted foods over in the UK. I know little
to nothing about what's available over there and so my advice may not be
translatable.

take care,
laura

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Post by BSati » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Kay-Tee Rainbow Exact
> It's not ideal, but I'd like
>to see rabbits eating that over a number of other pellets. I

Yep, I gotta concede there!!  There's a lot of trash feeds out there.  I have
to admit that if it was a choice between Exact and Hartz or any of the
"gourmet" foods, Exact would definitely win!  And it would probably make more
sense for someone with 1 or 2 rabbits - 50 lbs can last a looooong time!! :)
And most feed dealers won't sell just a few pounds at a time (I will!!).

Quote:
>It's not 18% protein, you must be thnking about another of the Kaytee
>products.

You're  right,   I'm pretty sure Fiesta is 18%, but it was L'Avian that I was
actually thinking about when I posted - that stuff is horrid!  The label reads
good, but it's full of junk.

Ann Bledsoe -- Bledsoe's Bunnies
Breeder of Quality Satin Rabbits
Chinchilla
Broken Chinchilla
Black Otter

 
 
 

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Post by Bullygrl » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Thanks everyone for your help!  
:)
 
 
 

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Post by Celia Moor » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> 1.7 pound or 1.7kg? (You're in the UK, that's why I ask).
> *snerk* My Flower is 4 3/4 pounds and the love of her life, Bear, is
> almost twice her size. Occasionally he gets amorous and mounts her, and
> she disappears and no one seems worse the wear for it. Size isn't really
> an issue, IMO.

Glad to hear it! Ed and I both fancy a bigger bun when we find Bunnie a
companion! I checked with the vet's when he had his last stitch out today
(Why did he remove three and leave one?!Typical!) and his VHD vaccine. They
said he is 1.7kg not lbs! He weighs 1.6kg/3.8lbs according to my small
scales, though this will have to be an approximation as it's not easy
weighing a bun on small scales!<G>So 1/4 cup is about right, ie a handful!
Phew!

Quote:
> > Bunnie gets a handful per day btw, I have small hands so I guess that's
> > 1/4 - 1/2 cup, but he leaves some as he Much prefers the fresh food he
gets
> > and his hay. His coat gleams and he's not overweight so I guess I must
have
> > it right for him.......And he is now beginning to moult and still his

coat gleams! He even likes being brushed with the new brush I got him! (Well
apart from underneath that is!)

Thanks Laura! Bunnie isn't actually a Netherland Dwarf according to the
poster at the vets, his ears/body is way to big! Arlette, it's your bun that
he looks like, what is yours? Just curious.........I think he must be a
cross breed of some sort. He is still adorable though! And like many buns
here he Definitely chose us when we got him!

Ta,

Celia and Bunnie (Well I knew she would spoil me rotten the moment I saw
her!)

 
 
 

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Post by Arlett » Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Hi Celia, You mean Cocoa? His  father was a full sized 'standard bred' white
rabbit huge actually, his mom looked like a dutch but tan and white not
brown and white. She was smaller than Cocoa. So Cocoa is medium heinz 57
brand!! haha How he got to be black is an interesting genetic puzzle.

--
God Bless, Arlette, Cocoa Conejo & Brownie

 
 
 

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Post by BSati » Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Bunnie isn't actually a Netherland Dwarf according to the
>poster at the vets, his ears/body is way to big! A

25 - 50% of ALL Netherland Dwarfs born are not true Dwarfs and will weigh a lot
more than the breed description.  These larger animals will also have longer
ears, longer body, and a longer more pointy nose.
When 2 "proper" Dwarf are bred together only 50% of the offspring will be
"proper" sized, 25% will be lethal peanuts (double Dwarf), and 25% will be
large (no dwarf).
If a large doe is bred to a "proper" sized buck, 50% of the litter will be
"proper" sized, while 50% will be large.
Ann Bledsoe -- Bledsoe's Bunnies
Breeder of Quality Satin Rabbits
Chinchilla
Broken Chinchilla
Black Otter