Flurry and her tear duct

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Flurry and her tear duct

Post by Sue Frenc » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:15:06



Flurry has chronic runny eye (clear fluid).  The vets feel that she probably
has a scarred tear duct that is easily blocked up.  It seems to be happening
a lot more lately.  I'm wondering if there is a cause that I can do anything
about.  Here are some possibilities:

1) Nervous stress.  Flurry and Max have been spending evenings together.
The newness of it must be at least slightly stressful.

2) Grooming.  Max grooms Flurry's drippy eye a lot.  This may be mixing
cause and effect, though.  Max is likely to be grooming Flurry's eye BECAUSE
the fur gets matted.  Besides, one of the vets recommended gently massaging
her tear duct to help loosen obstructions.  What could be better than a soft
bunny-tongue massage?

3) Dust.  Maybe I need to keep house dust and hay dust at bay better, but
I'm not sure this is anything that has gotten worse lately.

4) Degradation.  The condition just worsens with time.

Anyone have any opinions or advice?  Flurry does have an ointment that I can
put in her eye when this happens.  I don't start using it right away,
because the eye often stops dripping on its own after a few days, and she
gets highly miffed when we grab her three times a day to stick ointment in
her eye.
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Post by Olga, Rufus & Roxann » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:49:12


Sue,

Roxanne had the same thing when I got her and it took quite a while (2 months)
to clear it up. She had an infection in her tear duct.

Did your vet flush the tear duct and take note of what came out? If not this
could be done to check if there is infection in there. Roxanne's eye ran clear
fluid as well as the infection was not at a serious stage. However, when the
duct was flushed some junk came out that made it clear there was infection. I
had the duct flushed several times, a couple of weeks apart while using
Gentocin drops the kind without stearoids. This cleared it up and now she has a
beautiful, bright, clear eye with no problems. If your vet is experienced the
flush can be done with no anesthic and only takes a moment. Roxanne was very
good about this and the vet used a topical freezing drop in her eye so the
procedure did not irritate (it isn't painful, just uncomfortable).

I think stress can make an infection that is not taken care of flare up as this
apparently happened to Roxanne - I mean going away and starting up again. It
was noted by her shelter care givers that it flared up when she was put in a
foster home and then again when she was returned to the shelter. (Sounds like
stress.)

I'm positive the grooming will be good. It at least will keep her face clean
and won't do any harm.

I doubt it is dust unless you have an alergic bun.

The condition may well worsen with time if it is an infection that is going
untreated. BTW, drops are better than ointment for tear ducts as they will run
into the duct much more effectively.

Another thing causing her eye problem *could* be her teeth. Are her front teeth
really good? Sometimes, teeth roots effect tear ducts.

Good luck with Flurry and you can e-mail me anytime.

Olga
P.S. My vet thought the tear duct may be scarred and might always clog but that
wasn't the case - so don't give up.

 
 
 

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Post by Joyce Reynolds-Wa » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:40:17




Quote:
>Flurry has chronic runny eye (clear fluid).  The vets feel that she probably
>has a scarred tear duct that is easily blocked up.  It seems to be happening
>a lot more lately.  I'm wondering if there is a cause that I can do anything
>about.  Here are some possibilities:

I think this is what's happening with Usagi as well, given his
occasional bouts with it.  It's also clear fluid.

Quote:
>1) Nervous stress.  Flurry and Max have been spending evenings together.
>The newness of it must be at least slightly stressful.

Stress is a biggie.

Quote:
>2) Grooming.  Max grooms Flurry's drippy eye a lot.  This may be mixing
>cause and effect, though.  Max is likely to be grooming Flurry's eye BECAUSE
>the fur gets matted.  Besides, one of the vets recommended gently massaging
>her tear duct to help loosen obstructions.  What could be better than a soft
>bunny-tongue massage?

I think this is a positive thing.

Quote:
>3) Dust.  Maybe I need to keep house dust and hay dust at bay better, but
>I'm not sure this is anything that has gotten worse lately.

Dust and pollen are a factor with Usagi.  I've noticed, too, that hay
quality is an issue.  Also, his last bout cleared up when I hung a
blanket over part of his open space when it got windy (he lives
outdoors but comes in for extended periods).

Another issue I've noticed is that Usagi will occasionally get urine
scald, and then the eye flares up.  Last go-round I ran 10 days of
bicillin, and it cleared up at both ends, as well as extremely
scrupulous hygiene.

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Quote:
>Anyone have any opinions or advice?  Flurry does have an ointment that I can
>put in her eye when this happens.  I don't start using it right away,
>because the eye often stops dripping on its own after a few days, and she
>gets highly miffed when we grab her three times a day to stick ointment in
>her eye.

The ointment just doesn't work with Usagi.  I think it makes it worse
for him.

jrw

 
 
 

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Post by Nona » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:08:05


Dust was the first thing I thought of, Sue.  Maybe because of the
condition of my own house (someone here once caught me in alt.
recovery.clutter, to my embarrassment.)

I think Marylee is the big proponent of HEPA filters.  Couldn't hurt.

Glad Flurry is getting groomed. That does sound like a great way to get
her tear duct gently massaged.

You may recall that 14-year-old Hans had a lifelong drippy eye, but it
never really bother *him.*

Nona

Quote:

> Flurry has chronic runny eye (clear fluid).  The vets feel that she probably
> has a scarred tear duct that is easily blocked up.  It seems to be happening
> a lot more lately.  I'm wondering if there is a cause that I can do anything
> about.  Here are some possibilities:

> 1) Nervous stress.  Flurry and Max have been spending evenings together.
> The newness of it must be at least slightly stressful.

> 2) Grooming.  Max grooms Flurry's drippy eye a lot.  This may be mixing
> cause and effect, though.  Max is likely to be grooming Flurry's eye BECAUSE
> the fur gets matted.  Besides, one of the vets recommended gently massaging
> her tear duct to help loosen obstructions.  What could be better than a soft
> bunny-tongue massage?

> 3) Dust.  Maybe I need to keep house dust and hay dust at bay better, but
> I'm not sure this is anything that has gotten worse lately.

> 4) Degradation.  The condition just worsens with time.

> Anyone have any opinions or advice?  Flurry does have an ointment that I can
> put in her eye when this happens.  I don't start using it right away,
> because the eye often stops dripping on its own after a few days, and she
> gets highly miffed when we grab her three times a day to stick ointment in
> her eye.
> --
> Sue, Flurry, and Max
> http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/Terminus/susanfrench/
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Post by Lauri » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:01:30


Quote:

>...(someone here once caught me in alt.recovery.clutter, to my

embarrassment.)

There's an alt.recovery.clutter???????? Well, if you don't see ME for awhile
look for me there! Hmmm, wonder if it could help...

Laurie (who's perpetually on the lookout for several things that were "right
here a minute ago.")

 
 
 

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Post by Lady Cele » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:26:35


Quote:



> >Flurry has chronic runny eye (clear fluid).  The vets feel that she probably
> >has a scarred tear duct that is easily blocked up.  It seems to be happening
> >a lot more lately.  I'm wondering if there is a cause that I can do anything
> >about.  Here are some possibilities:

> I think this is what's happening with Usagi as well, given his
> occasional bouts with it.  It's also clear fluid.

Ditto on Trixie.

Quote:
> >3) Dust.  Maybe I need to keep house dust and hay dust at bay better, but
> >I'm not sure this is anything that has gotten worse lately.

> Dust and pollen are a factor with Usagi.  I've noticed, too, that hay
> quality is an issue.  Also, his last bout cleared up when I hung a
> blanket over part of his open space when it got windy (he lives
> outdoors but comes in for extended periods).

That's something I hadn't noticed... But then again, I only get Oxbow.
And Trixie's strictly indoors.

Quote:
> Another issue I've noticed is that Usagi will occasionally get urine
> scald, and then the eye flares up.  Last go-round I ran 10 days of
> bicillin, and it cleared up at both ends, as well as extremely
> scrupulous hygiene.

Trixie doesn't get urine scald, but she's got lots of carpeting in her
cage,
and four litterboxes to choose from (I've found that she only pees in
two of them, but poos in the other two).

Quote:
> >Anyone have any opinions or advice?  Flurry does have an ointment that I can
> >put in her eye when this happens.  I don't start using it right away,
> >because the eye often stops dripping on its own after a few days, and she
> >gets highly miffed when we grab her three times a day to stick ointment in
> >her eye.

> The ointment just doesn't work with Usagi.  I think it makes it worse
> for him.

I've given up on the ointment as well. As with Flurry, Trixie's eye
will stop after three or four days, and if I put the Gentocin drops in
her eyes, all it results in is a pissy bunny with more than tears
stuck to her cheeks, and it makes it all that much more difficult to
get her out of her cage every time.

I've just learned by now to keep her eyes clean. There's an eye wipe
out there that I found at my local pet store that seems to do pretty
well. She still gets drippy eyes, but at least with the eye wipe, she
will get pissy but it won't be a big deal if I miss her once or twice.
With Gentocin, because it's an antibiotic, I have to keep it up three
times a day for ten days, and by the end of all of this I've got one
PISSED OFF Trixie...

And she's the cranky one of my three to begin with.

Cyd

 
 
 

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Post by Sue Frenc » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:53:19


Quote:
> I've just learned by now to keep her eyes clean. There's an eye wipe
> out there that I found at my local pet store that seems to do pretty
> well.

I'll try to find it.  Thanks.
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Post by Sue Frenc » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:53:19


Quote:
> You may recall that 14-year-old Hans had a lifelong drippy eye, but it
> never really bother *him.*

The vet said that was something that might happen eventually.  Flurry was
two years old when I got her, so I do know what went on with her for quite a
while.
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Post by Sue Frenc » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:53:19


Quote:
> Dust and pollen are a factor with Usagi.  I've noticed, too, that hay
> quality is an issue.  Also, his last bout cleared up when I hung a
> blanket over part of his open space when it got windy (he lives
> outdoors but comes in for extended periods).

Flurry's indoors all the time.  I try to get non-dusty hay for her.  I got
tired of the fact that Oxbow was still selling last year's Timothy hay even
by the end of November and ordered from American Pet Diner this time.  It
seems like good hay.  They did recently finish a box of Oxbow oat hay.  I
was giving the hay dust in the bottom of the box to Max.  Flurry got some
and was wild about it, so I let her have a little, too.  Maybe a mistake.

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Post by Sue Frenc » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:53:19


Quote:
> Did your vet flush the tear duct and take note of what came out? If not
this
> could be done to check if there is infection in there.

The vet examined her and did not seem to think she had an infection.  He
said he preferred not to flush the eye because there would be no less chance
of recurrence with flushing than with the ointment.

Quote:
> If your vet is experienced the
> flush can be done with no anesthic and only takes a moment.

All but one of the vets at my veterinary hospital treat rabbits, but they
are not rabbit specialists.  I chose them mostly because they are available
24/7.  The last rabbit vet is only available a day and a half a week.  I
took Flurry to a special rabbit vet about 100 miles away once for a complete
physical workup.  Her eye wasn't dripping during that visit, but that vet
didn't think she had an infection.  I asked about the eye, and she merely
said it might have to be flushed someday.

Quote:
> The condition may well worsen with time if it is an infection that is
going
> untreated. BTW, drops are better than ointment for tear ducts as they will
run
> into the duct much more effectively.

That's the problem with having a bunch of vets.  One precribed the ointment,
but another seemed to like drops better.  Flurry's ointment is:  Neomycin
and Polymxin B Sulfates and Dexamethasone Opthalmic Ointment USP.  The
ointment melts into a liquid the moment it touches the eye - or anything
else that is even slightly warm.  Are you familiar with that one?

Quote:
> Another thing causing her eye problem *could* be her teeth. Are her front
teeth
> really good? Sometimes, teeth roots effect tear ducts.

As far as I can tell, her teeth are fine.  They checked them while she was
in.  I always seem to have to encourage them to check the molars, too.

Flurry has about the roundest head I have ever seen.  In a book about lops
(awful book really), it says that round headed lops often have tear duct
problems.  BTW, it's always just one eye, and always the same one.

Thanks for the advice and the offer of help.
--
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Post by Rhond » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:05:29


Oh Nona, thanks for the laugh! Being caught on a clutter recovery
newsgroup, you just never know who's watching...

Laurie, maybe you and I should visit? My stuff is always lost, too. I
thought it was because of alt.over.forty.     -Rhonda

Quote:


>>...(someone here once caught me in alt.recovery.clutter, to my

> embarrassment.)

> There's an alt.recovery.clutter???????? Well, if you don't see ME for awhile
> look for me there! Hmmm, wonder if it could help...

> Laurie (who's perpetually on the lookout for several things that were "right
> here a minute ago.")

 
 
 

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Post by JP » Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:09:35


My Roo also has a weepy eyes and her boyfriend Piggy loves to clean the eye
for Roo.  It is so sweet.  My vet said some rabbits seem to have this and as
long as she is eating and pooping fine then it isn't anything to worry
about.

JP

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Hi, I'd like a Cheeseburger, please, a large fries and a Cosmopolitan.

Quote:
> Flurry has chronic runny eye (clear fluid).  The vets feel that she
probably
> has a scarred tear duct that is easily blocked up.  It seems to be
happening
> a lot more lately.  I'm wondering if there is a cause that I can do
anything
> about.  Here are some possibilities:

> 1) Nervous stress.  Flurry and Max have been spending evenings together.
> The newness of it must be at least slightly stressful.

> 2) Grooming.  Max grooms Flurry's drippy eye a lot.  This may be mixing
> cause and effect, though.  Max is likely to be grooming Flurry's eye
BECAUSE
> the fur gets matted.  Besides, one of the vets recommended gently
massaging
> her tear duct to help loosen obstructions.  What could be better than a
soft
> bunny-tongue massage?

> 3) Dust.  Maybe I need to keep house dust and hay dust at bay better, but
> I'm not sure this is anything that has gotten worse lately.

> 4) Degradation.  The condition just worsens with time.

> Anyone have any opinions or advice?  Flurry does have an ointment that I
can
> put in her eye when this happens.  I don't start using it right away,
> because the eye often stops dripping on its own after a few days, and she
> gets highly miffed when we grab her three times a day to stick ointment in
> her eye.
> --
> Sue, Flurry, and Max
> http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/Terminus/susanfrench/
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Post by mbti » Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:57:36


Hi Sue,

My bun has a semi-blocked tear duct also.  And I too, can't pin down the
cause for it to run either.  I thought it was my smoking but when I quit
his eye still ran.  All I do is keep the area clean and dry.  I wash it
with a diluted saline solution, clean rinse and towel dry.  My vet
recommended the massage also.  He's had it flushed once.  I just keep
watching it to make sure the fluid isn't cloudy or yellow.  Best of luck
with Flurry.
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