Koi and Gold fish are bolting/sweeping bottom

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Koi and Gold fish are bolting/sweeping bottom

Post by SoundH » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:43:02



We have notice our fish are darting across the pond, stopping, then sweeping
across the bottom while swiming on their sides. They quickly twist and stir the
floor, rubbing their bodies against it. They repeat it several times, then stop
for a while. If the fish are eating, they don't do it. I don't see any evidence
of parasites such as ich, spots, growths, ulcers, or fin deterioration. They
eat regularly, and spawn regularly, and seem otherwise to be happy. Any
thoughts?
 
 
 

Koi and Gold fish are bolting/sweeping bottom

Post by Barr » Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:06:56



Quote:
> We have notice our fish are darting across the pond, stopping, then sweeping
> across the bottom while swiming on their sides. They quickly twist and stir
the
> floor, rubbing their bodies against it. They repeat it several times, then
stop
> for a while. If the fish are eating, they don't do it. I don't see any
evidence
> of parasites such as ich, spots, growths, ulcers, or fin deterioration. They
> eat regularly, and spawn regularly, and seem otherwise to be happy. Any
> thoughts?

Yes, its called "flashing".

Read about it and what to do <salt works wonders> at www.koivet.com

Barry.

 
 
 

Koi and Gold fish are bolting/sweeping bottom

Post by TYbarm » Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:43:54


Check out www.koivet.com -- there are several reasons that Koi "flash" --
spawning can be one, but if it is consistant, it could be parasites that you
cannot see.

I have had Koi flash and not seen any external parasites, but when I treated
the pond with "Anchors Away" a Jungle product, they stopped their flashing.

Good Luck,
Tom

 
 
 

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Post by lyn.. » Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:37:45


Quote:

> I have had Koi flash and not seen any external parasites,

this is not aimed at you, tom, but to all of the newer ponders who say
"i don't see any parasites".
MOST parasites that affect fish can NOT be seen without a microscope...
and those tiny little suckers can kill.

lynnae
--
Zone 8b : 20,000 gallon pond : north central florida

http://www.homestead.com/peacefulwaters/home.html
ICQ# 2970106

 
 
 

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Post by Barr » Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:45:04


Quote:


> > I have had Koi flash and not seen any external parasites,

> this is not aimed at you, tom, but to all of the newer ponders who say
> "i don't see any parasites".
> MOST parasites that affect fish can NOT be seen without a microscope...
> and those tiny little suckers can kill.

> lynnae
> --

Let me also add that ALL fish have parasites. Healthy fish are not
usually effected by them.

Barry.

 
 
 

Koi and Gold fish are bolting/sweeping bottom

Post by Derek Broughto » Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:19:38


Quote:


>> I have had Koi flash and not seen any external parasites,

> this is not aimed at you, tom, but to all of the newer ponders who say
> "i don't see any parasites".
> MOST parasites that affect fish can NOT be seen without a microscope...
> and those tiny little suckers can kill.

True, but most people worry much too much about flashing.  If your fish
flash occasionally, it's meaningless - even if it _is_ parasites, fish
always have parasites (so do we :--(  ) and it's only an issue if it gets
too much for their bodies to handle.

In this case, it sounded like all the fish were flashing, often, and that
indicates a probable problems.
--
Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)

 
 
 

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Post by TYbarm » Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:32:49


Lynnae,

I agree -- Good advice.

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by lyn.. » Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:11:52


Quote:

> True, but most people worry much too much about flashing.  If your fish
> flash occasionally, it's meaningless - even if it _is_ parasites, fish
> always have parasites (so do we :--(  ) and it's only an issue if it gets
> too much for their bodies to handle.

my first year of ponding was a nightmare. it took me awhile to
understand that i wasn't going to rid the pond completely of parasites,
ever... but what i did to treat the fish in my first year was necessary
to cut my losses. now that i have the same fish in the pond for 3 years,
things are much more 'under control'. i see a fish flash. i watch.. just
to be sure there's nothing serious going on. i've learned what to watch
for. i've also learned how to use a microscope so i know what i'm going
after IF i'm going to treat for anything. with 20,000 gallons, you'd
better know, or you'll spend a fortune guessing!

Quote:
> In this case, it sounded like all the fish were flashing, often, and that
> indicates a probable problems.

most definitely.

btw, derek... i pulled all of my lilies out of pots and pinned them down
with rocks last year. it was great not to have to pull out a bunch of
pots this past spring to divide them. they are doing just as well, if
not better than they did in the soil, tho not nearly as nice as yours.
you must have great water. mine is hard and plants don't grow well in
this pond. soil or no soil. thanks for the tip :) my back thanks you
too!

lynnae
--
Zone 8b : 20,000 gallon pond : north central florida

http://www.homestead.com/peacefulwaters/home.html
ICQ# 2970106

 
 
 

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Post by Derek Broughto » Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:17:51


Quote:

> btw, derek... i pulled all of my lilies out of pots and pinned them down
> with rocks last year. it was great not to have to pull out a bunch of
> pots this past spring to divide them. they are doing just as well, if
> not better than they did in the soil, tho not nearly as nice as yours.
> you must have great water. mine is hard and plants don't grow well in
> this pond. soil or no soil. thanks for the tip :) my back thanks you
> too!

Great!  I don't know that hard water is really a problem - mine is very
hard too.  I think it's more a matter of water trace minerals you're
getting, and mine must be getting the right ones!  But I agree, it's _so_
much simpler to skip all the maintenance involved with growing them in soil!
--
Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)