Excuse me.. I realize that to you koi afficiandos that my little koi I got
from the *mart* might be *junk* to you but to me they are still beautiful
fish. Could you try and not make the rest of us who can't afford to spend
$$$$ on fish feel stupid for buying them from the *mart*?? Texxi
>>When Brett says catfish food is not good for koi, it is best to listen to
>>him. He is the one that breeds and raises them. Catfish are food fish,
>>they only live long enough to get big and then they are killed for food.
>>Koi are pets, for longevity and health feed them appropriate food. INgrid
>>>I'm glad to see this! I've used catfish food for the last two summers
>>>on advice from the Botonical gardens. The fish thrive. TOO well!!
>>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>>for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> Thanks, Solo.
>I did qualify that with "as a complete diet". Even so, its better than
some of the stuff I hear about. I've a friend that
>feeds bread and cake to her koi. Others that feed dog or cat food. Still
more that actually feed meat scraps, and
>other stuff left over from the table.
>If a person has a pond full of koi that got at some "Mart" or other, then I
would suppose the savings associated
>with using catfish food might be justifiable. Still not as good as koi
food, but as food for junk koi its at least "fish
>food". However, if a person has some nice, well bred koi that represents
either a minor or even major investment, it
>is a travesty to feed them anything other than a diet designed for them
(and maybe a few "treats").
>Sure, catfish and koi food are very similar in many respects. However,
catfish food is lacking in many necessary
>nutrients that koi require. It is also, almost always too greasy for koi.
Especially the cheaper brands which use
>beef tallow as the majority of the fat component. Many cheap catfish foods
are not even complete diets for catfish.
>It will say so on the label. Some are designed as a food "supplement" for
catfish stocked at low densities in farm
>ponds, where the catfish recieve a large part of thier diet and nutrition
from the pond and not the supplement. This
>food fed to koi where they have little else to eat is the worst.
>Probably one of the best things I learned in school was "read the label".
If the lable says "feed as a complete diet
>to goldfish and koi" it means it can be used as the sole food for those
fish. If it says "feed as a supplement to
>catfish" it means the catfish had best be getting other foods in thier diet
or they will begin to have nutritional
>problems. That goes 100 times for koi. Many, if not most, catfish foods
found in feed stores where farmers and
>ranchers (and suburbanites) shop are the "supplemental" type, not the
"complete" type. To get a complete catfish
>food a person would need to special order or be shopping at a feed store
that specializes in fish food. "Complete"
>catfish food would be better for koi than "supplemental", but not nearly as
good as a "complete" koi food.
>OK, saying all that, I actually do feed some feeds to my koi that were not
specifically designed for them. My
>broodfish sometimes get "hybrid striper" diet. It is higher in protein
than koi food and is fed to them as a
>supplement. They live in big earthen ponds and get most of what they need
to eat in the form of shrimp, crawfish,
>aquatic plants, insects, etc. They use the higher protein from the
"complete" striper diet to help form good egg
>masses. The fry are fed "trout and salmon starter". Another complete,
very high protein (60%) diet designed for
>the early stages of salmonid fishes. There is no "koi starter" for one
thing, for another, at that life stage, thier
>nutritional requirements are very similar to those of almost all very young
fish. The same starter diets are fed to
>catfish, stripers, trout, salmon, carps, and other fishes. It is also just
a "supplement" as the koi fry feed heavily on
>zooplankton and phytoplankton living in the pond. The plankton are
encouraged by fertilizing with manure and
>Koi kept in my holding facility, whcih have no access to other "wild"
foods, are fed a good quality koi food.
>Even some koi foods are relatively inexpensive, almost as cheap as
"complete" catfish foods. A person can special
>order Purina "Mazuri" a decent koi food from any Purina dealer. It isn't
the best, but it is a complete diet and it is
>inexpensive. I feed my koi "Rangen" koi food. It is not as easy to find,
but you can order it from Rangen in Buhl,
>Idaho. It is also not the best, not the cheapest either, but it is a
complete diet for koi.
>For those really into koi foods, you can get stuff like "Hikari" (IMHO one
of the best), "Izeki", and even bagged up
>freeze dried silkworm pupae, very expensive.