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Dan's winterize page vol 2

Post by Dan D » Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Greetings, I don't want to be annoying with this thread
so I won't bug you with this subject much longer.

The "2nd draft" of my winterizing page is up.

  http://users.ntr.net/~ddobson/winterize.htm

I've made a few er.... corrections!
(apparently Kathy30a is even younger than I thought ;-))
The changes are all in the links area near the
bottom.
  SEND ME YOUR favorite winterizing links!!!

I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

I've added several new links, your page may be linked
from mine even as we speak.
(I know you are all a quiver with this information!)

Please post your comments and links here or send to my
mailbox found on my web page.  This "my-deja" mailbox
is barely useable and I won't be checking it very often.

Peace!
Dan D.  Louisville KY  good ole USA  zone 6

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

 
 
 

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Post by Bonnie Lee Hil » Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:10:22


Hello,

Quote:

> Greetings, I don't want to be annoying with this thread
> so I won't bug you with this subject much longer.

> The "2nd draft" of my winterizing page is up.

>   http://users.ntr.net/~ddobson/winterize.htm
> . . .

I have built a "Seasonal Maintenance" section in my "Pond Construction"
page. The URL is as follows:

http://www.flash.net/~blhill/pages.aux/pond/construction.html#clean.

Bonnie Lee Hill
Dallas, Texas

 
 
 

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Post by Terry in Texa » Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:23:18


Wow Bonnie that's really an impressive lists of links.
Terry in Texas

http://oursecretpond.homestead.com

Quote:

>Hello,


>> Greetings, I don't want to be annoying with this thread
>> so I won't bug you with this subject much longer.

>> The "2nd draft" of my winterizing page is up.

>>   http://users.ntr.net/~ddobson/winterize.htm
>> . . .

>I have built a "Seasonal Maintenance" section in my "Pond Construction"
>page. The URL is as follows:

>http://www.flash.net/~blhill/pages.aux/pond/construction.html#clean.

>Bonnie Lee Hill
>Dallas, Texas

 
 
 

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Post by Terry in Texa » Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:18:51


Thanks for the link and complement Dan
Looks like you've covered all the bases.
Good Job!
Terry in Texas

http://oursecretpond.homestead.com

Quote:

>Greetings, I don't want to be annoying with this thread
>so I won't bug you with this subject much longer.

>The "2nd draft" of my winterizing page is up.

>  http://users.ntr.net/~ddobson/winterize.htm

>I've made a few er.... corrections!
>(apparently Kathy30a is even younger than I thought ;-))
>The changes are all in the links area near the
>bottom.
>  SEND ME YOUR favorite winterizing links!!!

>I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
>climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

>I've added several new links, your page may be linked
>from mine even as we speak.
>(I know you are all a quiver with this information!)

>Please post your comments and links here or send to my
>mailbox found on my web page.  This "my-deja" mailbox
>is barely useable and I won't be checking it very often.

>Peace!
>Dan D.  Louisville KY  good ole USA  zone 6

>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.

 
 
 

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Post by Nedr » Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:41:00


Hi Dan,
Great site!  You sure put alot of work into this.
Thanks so much  for the link to my pond ...   ;-)
A compliment, neighbor ... and I do appreciate it.

Nedra in Missouri
zone 6+

Visit my ponds:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836



Quote:

> Thanks for the link and complement Dan
> Looks like you've covered all the bases.
> Good Job!
> Terry in Texas

> http://oursecretpond.homestead.com


> >Greetings, I don't want to be annoying with this thread
> >so I won't bug you with this subject much longer.

> >The "2nd draft" of my winterizing page is up.

> >  http://users.ntr.net/~ddobson/winterize.htm

> >I've made a few er.... corrections!
> >(apparently Kathy30a is even younger than I thought ;-))
> >The changes are all in the links area near the
> >bottom.
> >  SEND ME YOUR favorite winterizing links!!!

> >I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
> >climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

> >I've added several new links, your page may be linked
> >from mine even as we speak.
> >(I know you are all a quiver with this information!)

> >Please post your comments and links here or send to my
> >mailbox found on my web page.  This "my-deja" mailbox
> >is barely useable and I won't be checking it very often.

> >Peace!
> >Dan D.  Louisville KY  good ole USA  zone 6

> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.

 
 
 

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Post by S.J.Skinne » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:38:28


Quote:

[...]
> I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
> climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

zone 4: Each year I try something different (covering the pond,
insulating it, etc.)  I have not yet been able to keep my fish.
It is not that they freeze; I put a stack of jars tightly sealed
with water in the pond last year and only the top 2 out of 4
broke, indicating that they had frozen.  So I theorize that the
fish suffocated because the pond was not clean enough and I refuse
to run the pump all winter to keep a hole open.  

I do know 2 folks who have kept fish all winter.  One has a
pond which sparkles with cleanliness -- no plants, no mud, no
algae.  Apparently he cleans it almost daily.  The other has
a more ordinary pond, but keeps the pump running all winter.
She says that, given a depth of 2 or more feet and a short
hose on the pump (take the waterfall out of the equation), all
will be well.

About plants: I have iris pseudocorus, acorus calamus,
caltha palustris (marsh marigolds), hardy water lilies and
elodea.  I cut them back when their foliage dies back and
leave them in the pond.  The caltha must freeze solid --
it is at the surface.  The acorus probably mostly freezes
and the iris just partly freezes.  The water lilies and
elodea are below the ice.  All have survived for 4 winters.

sjs
--

 
 
 

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Post by S.J.Skinne » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:31:58


Actually, much better than my scant info on Northern ponding is
a web site:

        http://www.northernpond.com/

Quote:

> [...]
> > I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
> > climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

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Post by Nedr » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:34:18


sj,

I don't believe the cold is why your fish are dying.  I think it's the lack
of oxygen and the build-up of gases in the pond that's doing them in.  Are
you willing to buy an airpump for about $8 at KMart, an airhose for about
$1.75 and an airstone for about $2.00?
Total cost should be nearly $10.  Operating  cost is minimal.  Keep the
airpump covered with a plastic bag with openings for the cord and airhose.
Place the pump above the ground then run the airhose about 4" into the pond.
This is the cheapest way to keep a hole in the ice.  For extremely cold days
I use a de-icer - $26 from the farm implement store.in the pond.  Operating
cost is much more with the de-icer but it does the job.

During the season I keep the pond clean by using CSA... a microencapsulated
biobugs dry powder that I put in the pond every two weeks.  The bottom of
the pond is very clean.  If you haven't gotten the leaves netted before they
fall into the pond they will decay and cause a real mess for your fish to
deal with.  i.e.... a lack of oxygen and toxic gas.  Before the freezing
weather grabs ahold it would be a good thing to try to clean out the bottom
of the pond.

Good Luck, sj.  I hope you have better luck this year.

Nedra in Missouri
zone 6+

--
Visit my ponds:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836


Quote:


> [...]
> > I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
> > climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

> zone 4: Each year I try something different (covering the pond,
> insulating it, etc.)  I have not yet been able to keep my fish.
> It is not that they freeze; I put a stack of jars tightly sealed
> with water in the pond last year and only the top 2 out of 4
> broke, indicating that they had frozen.  So I theorize that the
> fish suffocated because the pond was not clean enough and I refuse
> to run the pump all winter to keep a hole open.

> I do know 2 folks who have kept fish all winter.  One has a
> pond which sparkles with cleanliness -- no plants, no mud, no
> algae.  Apparently he cleans it almost daily.  The other has
> a more ordinary pond, but keeps the pump running all winter.
> She says that, given a depth of 2 or more feet and a short
> hose on the pump (take the waterfall out of the equation), all
> will be well.

> About plants: I have iris pseudocorus, acorus calamus,
> caltha palustris (marsh marigolds), hardy water lilies and
> elodea.  I cut them back when their foliage dies back and
> leave them in the pond.  The caltha must freeze solid --
> it is at the surface.  The acorus probably mostly freezes
> and the iris just partly freezes.  The water lilies and
> elodea are below the ice.  All have survived for 4 winters.

> sjs
> --


 
 
 

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Post by S.J.Skinne » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 04:45:29


Thanks for the info!  

Yep, now that the leaves are all down & settled, it is time to give the
pond a final cleaning.

And yes, I agree; the fish are likely suffocating.  I know that if I ran
my pump all winter, I could keep a patch of ice open.  But the waste
of electricity bothers the environmentalist in me.  :(   The passive
ice guard, mentioned in another post, sounds hopeful -- I'm trying to
get more information on it.  

At least the fish are just feeders; they've had a whole 5 months more
of life than they would have had I left them in the store!

Thanks for the advice,
sjs - zone 4

Quote:

> sj,

> I don't believe the cold is why your fish are dying.  I think it's the lack
> of oxygen and the build-up of gases in the pond that's doing them in.  Are
> you willing to buy an airpump for about $8 at KMart, an airhose for about
> $1.75 and an airstone for about $2.00?
> Total cost should be nearly $10.  Operating  cost is minimal.  Keep the
> airpump covered with a plastic bag with openings for the cord and airhose.
> Place the pump above the ground then run the airhose about 4" into the pond.
> This is the cheapest way to keep a hole in the ice.  For extremely cold days
> I use a de-icer - $26 from the farm implement store.in the pond.  Operating
> cost is much more with the de-icer but it does the job.

> During the season I keep the pond clean by using CSA... a microencapsulated
> biobugs dry powder that I put in the pond every two weeks.  The bottom of
> the pond is very clean.  If you haven't gotten the leaves netted before they
> fall into the pond they will decay and cause a real mess for your fish to
> deal with.  i.e.... a lack of oxygen and toxic gas.  Before the freezing
> weather grabs ahold it would be a good thing to try to clean out the bottom
> of the pond.

> Good Luck, sj.  I hope you have better luck this year.

> Nedra in Missouri
> zone 6+

> --
> Visit my ponds:
> www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836




> > [...]
> > > I still would like some "how to" for Northern very cold
> > > climates as well as notes on a Southern pond.

> > zone 4: Each year I try something different (covering the pond,
> > insulating it, etc.)  I have not yet been able to keep my fish.
> > It is not that they freeze; I put a stack of jars tightly sealed
> > with water in the pond last year and only the top 2 out of 4
> > broke, indicating that they had frozen.  So I theorize that the
> > fish suffocated because the pond was not clean enough and I refuse
> > to run the pump all winter to keep a hole open.

> > I do know 2 folks who have kept fish all winter.  One has a
> > pond which sparkles with cleanliness -- no plants, no mud, no
> > algae.  Apparently he cleans it almost daily.  The other has
> > a more ordinary pond, but keeps the pump running all winter.
> > She says that, given a depth of 2 or more feet and a short
> > hose on the pump (take the waterfall out of the equation), all
> > will be well.

> > About plants: I have iris pseudocorus, acorus calamus,
> > caltha palustris (marsh marigolds), hardy water lilies and
> > elodea.  I cut them back when their foliage dies back and
> > leave them in the pond.  The caltha must freeze solid --
> > it is at the surface.  The acorus probably mostly freezes
> > and the iris just partly freezes.  The water lilies and
> > elodea are below the ice.  All have survived for 4 winters.

> > sjs
> > --


--

 
 
 

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Post by deann » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:34:58


Hello,

I posted about an Ice Guard made out of two layers of styrofoam (no
electricity required) .. it's available online for purchase at:

http://www.petwhse.com/webstore/webstore.nsf/(id)/46FE?OpenDocument

It's called the "Pond Freeze Guard" and it's very inexpensive, but could
also be easily made at home.

I'm still needing to know if the pipe end should be above or below the
surface of the water :-(

Quote:

> Thanks for the info!

> Yep, now that the leaves are all down & settled, it is time to give the
> pond a final cleaning.

> And yes, I agree; the fish are likely suffocating.  I know that if I ran
> my pump all winter, I could keep a patch of ice open.  But the waste
> of electricity bothers the environmentalist in me.  :(   The passive
> ice guard, mentioned in another post, sounds hopeful -- I'm trying to
> get more information on it.

> At least the fish are just feeders; they've had a whole 5 months more
> of life than they would have had I left them in the store!

> Thanks for the advice,
> sjs - zone 4


> > sj,

> > I don't believe the cold is why your fish are dying.  I think it's the lack
> > of oxygen and the build-up of gases in the pond that's doing them in.

 
 
 

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Post by dr.s.. » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:24:29


YOU ARENT LISTENING!!!!  all it takes is a cheap air pump and a couple of
airstones to keep a hole open in the ice.  it takes less energy to run all
year than baking your turkey for thanksgiving.  and an air pump does two
things for so cheap... it keeps the hole open AND it puts OXYGEN into the
water .. even if the hole closes over it for a day or so.  no stryofoam is
gonna do that.  Ingrid

Quote:

>And yes, I agree; the fish are likely suffocating.  I know that if I ran
>my pump all winter, I could keep a patch of ice open.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
 
 

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Post by Nedr » Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:52:59


Thanks, Ingrid!  One does get rather tired of talking to brick walls.
Nedra
Visit my ponds:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836


Quote:
> YOU ARENT LISTENING!!!!  all it takes is a cheap air pump and a couple of
> airstones to keep a hole open in the ice.  it takes less energy to run all
> year than baking your turkey for thanksgiving.  and an air pump does two
> things for so cheap... it keeps the hole open AND it puts OXYGEN into the
> water .. even if the hole closes over it for a day or so.  no stryofoam is
> gonna do that.  Ingrid


> >And yes, I agree; the fish are likely suffocating.  I know that if I ran
> >my pump all winter, I could keep a patch of ice open.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 
 
 

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Post by jan jorda » Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:57:51


Quote:

>And yes, I agree; the fish are likely suffocating.  I know that if I ran
>my pump all winter, I could keep a patch of ice open.  But the waste
>of electricity bothers the environmentalist in me.  :(   The passive
>ice guard, mentioned in another post, sounds hopeful -- I'm trying to
>get more information on it.  

Try www.aqua-mart.com  Freeze Guard - SFG..... $14.30

Quote:
>At least the fish are just feeders; they've had a whole 5 months more
>of life than they would have had I left them in the store!

Unless a better ponder were to buy them. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds thru the seasons and/or my filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

         ~Keep 'em Thawed~
      Tri-Cities, WA    Zone 7a
         To e-mail see website

 
 
 

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Post by jan jorda » Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:59:26


Quote:

>I'm still needing to know if the pipe end should be above or below the
>surface of the water :-(

Deanna, my ponder's sense tells me the pipe should be above the surface of
the water. ~ jan
 
 
 

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Post by deann » Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:06:40


Quote:


> >I'm still needing to know if the pipe end should be above or below the
> >surface of the water :-(

> Deanna, my ponder's sense tells me the pipe should be above the surface of
> the water. ~ jan

Thanks, jan .. that was my first inclination. I'm a new ponder and
trying to help two koi and three goldfish make it through the winter.
I'm also running an airpump/airstone and have a de-icer ready to go when
it gets down and dirty cold (zone 4) .. shut down the falls to stabilize
water temps .. great group here and thanks for all the terrific info.

Deanna