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Post by Steve » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:28:47



I put a goldfish into a container and sealed it in last night. All its
fins were rotted and I had tried to treat it for 5 days to no avail. I
made a mistake and looked at the fish just before I closed the freezer
door and it was looking right at me :-/

Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

Anyway, this rot that looked like cotton wool buds, just how
contagious is this ? I have a big Sarasa that has developed a tiny
white spec on its top fin and am concerned. What should I do now. I
cannot seperate it from the others as I have no means to do so. Thanks

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Victor M. Martin » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:38:35


Quote:

>Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
>could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

I take it freezing is the humane way of euthanizing a fish?

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Post by Mitch » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:10:34



Quote:
> >Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
> >could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

> I take it freezing is the humane way of euthanizing a fish?

Shotgun at five feet is the humane way to euthanize a fish.  Freezing
is quieter.

Mitcho

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Post by Wade » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:21:11


Just to let you know: Euthanasia via freezing is not in any way an
acceptable practice via the Veterinary Medical community. Many species,
including goldfish, have the ability to resist cold to an extent,
surviving long enough that ice crystals form shattering cells/organs and
causing intense pain. If you must remove a fish, please decapitate it or
use something that is acutely toxic.

Thanks,

Quote:

> I put a goldfish into a container and sealed it in last night. All its
> fins were rotted and I had tried to treat it for 5 days to no avail. I
> made a mistake and looked at the fish just before I closed the freezer
> door and it was looking right at me :-/

> Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
> could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

> Anyway, this rot that looked like cotton wool buds, just how
> contagious is this ? I have a big Sarasa that has developed a tiny
> white spec on its top fin and am concerned. What should I do now. I
> cannot seperate it from the others as I have no means to do so. Thanks

> Steve

______________________________________________
D. Wade Lehmann
Dept of Environmental and Molecular Toxicology
NC State University, Raleigh, NC
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Post by Fringe Ryde » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:00:26


The more-accepted method in the veteranary community (and I know a LOT of
vets, including my sister), is freezing by dropping it into ice water,
rather than by putting it in the fridge.  It's for death (or
unconsciousness) by shock rather than cold.  It's easy for people to get
confused by this though, and a quick incision in the neck is faster and
better still... except for the hands-on aspect.

I have a very hard time killing any critter, even squirrels, so I can
really sympathize with Steve.  Telling him he inflicted unnecessary pain
was not as sensitive as perhaps saying,

  "Steve, I feel for you.  BTW, the fish will find freezing less painful if
you drop it directly in ice water rather than freezing the water, but
better yet, poison it with xxxx.  This will be quicker and even more
painless for the fish."

(BTW, since he already felt badly about it, I seriously doubt he'd be able
to decapitate it OR smash it.)


Quote:
>Just to let you know: Euthanasia via freezing is not in any way an
>acceptable practice via the Veterinary Medical community. Many species,
>including goldfish, have the ability to resist cold to an extent,
>surviving long enough that ice crystals form shattering cells/organs and
>causing intense pain. If you must remove a fish, please decapitate it or
>use something that is acutely toxic.

>Thanks,


>> I put a goldfish into a container and sealed it in last night. All its
>> fins were rotted and I had tried to treat it for 5 days to no avail. I
>> made a mistake and looked at the fish just before I closed the freezer
>> door and it was looking right at me :-/

>> Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
>> could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

>> Anyway, this rot that looked like cotton wool buds, just how
>> contagious is this ? I have a big Sarasa that has developed a tiny
>> white spec on its top fin and am concerned. What should I do now. I
>> cannot seperate it from the others as I have no means to do so. Thanks

>> Steve

>______________________________________________
>D. Wade Lehmann
>Dept of Environmental and Molecular Toxicology
>NC State University, Raleigh, NC
>______________________________________________

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Post by TYbarm » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:21:08


Steve,

I have also used the freezer method to put fish out of their misery. I had no
idea that placing them ice water rather than a slow freeze was more humane.  If
the need arises again, I will go this route -- don't think I could do the
incision in the neck.

Nonethelss, you did what you thought was right and humane.  

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by sandy toe » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:32:38


Thank goodness!!
I had learned that freezing puts them to sleep and supposed to be humane. I
had to do it this weekend for one of my small koi. I have used alternate
methods but believe me, the visual stays with you. If the fish is small
enough to fit in a ziplock, that's my method of choice. Good tip about ice
water tho. I didn't know to do that and have used pond water as I figured
gradual change in temp would put them dormant as opposed to shocking their
system. Still...I may need convincing on that one.
sandy toez


Quote:
> The more-accepted method in the veteranary community (and I know a LOT of
> vets, including my sister), is freezing by dropping it into ice water,
> rather than by putting it in the fridge.  It's for death (or
> unconsciousness) by shock rather than cold.  <snip>>
>   "Steve, I feel for you.  BTW, the fish will find freezing less painful
if
> you drop it directly in ice water rather than freezing the water, but
> better yet, poison it with xxxx.  This will be quicker and even more
> painless for the fish."

 
 
 

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Post by Derek Broughto » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:45:14


Quote:


>>Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
>>could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

> I take it freezing is the humane way of euthanizing a fish?

There's a lot of disagreement about that.  Some say it's not at all
humane.

More to the point, I think you might have been premature, Steve. If
the fins were completely rotted, perhaps you had to do it, but
'cotton wool'  like growths are often columnaris, which is quite
simply treated in isolation with Potassium Permanganate.  You DO have
to do something about your water quality though.  Columnaris, or any
fungus that looks like that, is always present but won't harm a fish
that's not already badly stressed by something - usually bad water.
--
Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)

 
 
 

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Post by N2po.. » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:19:23


you dont say what your water parameters are, how many fish in how many
gallon pond, what the temp is, what kind of aeration.
rotted fins is mainly a poor water quality problem, complicated by gyros
and or columnaris, and maybe epistylis.  
clean up the water, add some salt and if the fish dont turn around, try a
couple treatments with PP.  but I think just cleaner water and salt will do
it.  Ingrid

Quote:

>I put a goldfish into a container and sealed it in last night. All its
>fins were rotted and I had tried to treat it for 5 days to no avail. I
>made a mistake and looked at the fish just before I closed the freezer
>door and it was looking right at me :-/

>Three hours later and the deed was done. Who would have thought it
>could be so hard, I mean its just a fish right ?

>Anyway, this rot that looked like cotton wool buds, just how
>contagious is this ? I have a big Sarasa that has developed a tiny
>white spec on its top fin and am concerned. What should I do now. I
>cannot seperate it from the others as I have no means to do so. Thanks

>Steve

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Post by Victor M. Martin » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:59:26


Quote:

>Shotgun at five feet is the humane way to euthanize a fish.  Freezing
>is quieter.

And for those of us without shotguns?

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Victor M. Martinez, Jr.            |   The University of Texas at Austin

http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv  |                    Austin, TX 78712
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Post by Neil La » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:22:49




I found a method that really works great. I had to put my favorite goldfish to
sleep this weekend, two short months after she finally got to go into the new
pond :(.

Anyway, I used a combination of clove oil and vodka. Placed here in a small
bucket and placed in several drops of each. I kept checking on her and there was
never any stress or frantic movement. Just noticed over time that she slowed
down, then her breathing slowed and eventually stopped.

She's now buried next to the pond where she can watch her friends.

As someone said earlier this is a very difficult chore to do but I'm glad this
at least appeared to be painless.

Can't tell you exact quantities but if I had to guess it would be about 10 drops
of oil, a small syringe full of vodka into about 1 gallon of water over time.

Tx,
Neil Law
Waterloo, On, Canada