Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

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Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Wayne Cat » Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:18:29



I have 4 goldfish in my new 220 gallon, preformed pond.
Do I need to put a catfish or algae eater in the pond to help keep it clean?
I don't want to put any aggressive fish in there.  Thoughts from anyone on
any other fish that I might want to add?  I'm in the C***te, NC area.  I
know that Koi are out since it is a small pond.  TIA!
 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Nedr » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:17:08


Hi Wayne,  I think your pond is a bit too small for a catfish... and as for
the algae eater... they do nip and bite the fish.. my experience anyway.
I'd say to load up yout pond with plants such as anacharis, water hyacinths,
etc.  and try to wait it out. ;-)

Nedra
zone 6
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836


Quote:
> I have 4 goldfish in my new 220 gallon, preformed pond.
> Do I need to put a catfish or algae eater in the pond to help keep it
clean?
> I don't want to put any aggressive fish in there.  Thoughts from anyone on
> any other fish that I might want to add?  I'm in the C***te, NC area.
I
> know that Koi are out since it is a small pond.  TIA!

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Sean Din » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:10:07


My 4" catfish ate my 2 feeder goldfish. I have to separate it from other small
fish. I have a few Chinese algae eaters(CAE) in my aquarium. They eat and
defecate all day and night. Their wastes overpower the filter and kill the fish.
If you still like some algae eater, try to get SAE. They are not aggressive like
CAE. However, they don't eat hair algae.
Quote:

> I have 4 goldfish in my new 220 gallon, preformed pond.
> Do I need to put a catfish or algae eater in the pond to help keep it clean?
> I don't want to put any aggressive fish in there.  Thoughts from anyone on
> any other fish that I might want to add?  I'm in the C***te, NC area.  I
> know that Koi are out since it is a small pond.  TIA!

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Wayne Cat » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:11:47


Sean, no catfish and algae eaters for me... thanks for the informative post
from experience.


Quote:
> My 4" catfish ate my 2 feeder goldfish. I have to separate it from other
small
> fish. I have a few Chinese algae eaters(CAE) in my aquarium. They eat and
> defecate all day and night. Their wastes overpower the filter and kill the
fish.
> If you still like some algae eater, try to get SAE. They are not
aggressive like
> CAE. However, they don't eat hair algae.


> > I have 4 goldfish in my new 220 gallon, preformed pond.
> > Do I need to put a catfish or algae eater in the pond to help keep it
clean?
> > I don't want to put any aggressive fish in there.  Thoughts from anyone
on
> > any other fish that I might want to add?  I'm in the C***te, NC area.
I
> > know that Koi are out since it is a small pond.  TIA!

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Mitch Barri » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:26:18


Quote:

> Here is a photo i hope AL

You have been here long enough to understand binaries are not welcome
in non-binary groups like rec.ponds.

Mitch

--

       http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Wayne Cat » Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:45:29


Thanks for the input... good looking fish also.


Quote:
> Hi Wayne if you keep your water quality up you can keep a few Koi also.
> I have 2, 6 inch Koi i grew and Goldfish 5 inches to 3 inches . About 10
> of them. I also keep a lot of water surface moving for airation. I have
> a 220 also. Here is a photo i hope AL

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Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by John Rut » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 05:34:20


Mitch
since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups why dont you
start a new one
rec.ponds.pictures
that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
that we think should be shared.
this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
yet

John Rutz

Quote:


> > Here is a photo i hope AL

> You have been here long enough to understand binaries are not welcome
> in non-binary groups like rec.ponds.

> Mitch

> --

>        http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by John 'Shaggy' Koles » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:44:47


Quote:

>Mitch
>since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups why dont you
>start a new one
>rec.ponds.pictures
>that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
>need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
>that we think should be shared.
>this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
>yet

>John Rutz

Starting a new rec.* group is quite an ordeal (aka procedural nightmare).  
Why not just create an alt.binaries.pictures.ponds group.  Note, it has
"binaries" in the name which will let news sites admin it properly for
binary postings (the reason why binary posts in this group are a bad
thing), and it's an alt.* newsgroup, which anybody can create in about
10 minutes.

The only tricky bit is getting news servers to add the group to their
lists, once somebody has sent the control message for it.  Some news
sites are good about that, others take an act of God signed in
triplicate before they'll add any new groups.

John.
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           *** Head Administrator, Monty Python's Flying Talker ***
        **************************************************************

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Mike Simpso » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:51:27


John....the binary issue is OK if your ISP has a decent "retention" time for binary
ngs....i.e. at *least* 7 days.
Unfortunately, there are many who have extremely short retention times, I just checked

less than 24 hours!!!   So, anything posted yesterday afternoon is no longer
available....and Google doesn't archive binaries.   There as also the issue of hoping
that your ISP will pick up a new binary group as well...many simply will not due to
the sheer cost of disk storage.

Actually creating a new alt. group is very easy, all that's initially needed is a ctrl
msg.   Making it readily available to all is a different kettle of fish!! :-)

All things considered....webspace is where binaries belong in order to provide easy
access to all.

Mike Simpson

Quote:

> Mitch
> since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups why dont you
> start a new one
> rec.ponds.pictures
> that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
> need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
> that we think should be shared.
> this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
> yet

> John Rutz



> > > Here is a photo i hope AL

> > You have been here long enough to understand binaries are not welcome
> > in non-binary groups like rec.ponds.

> > Mitch

> > --

> >        http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by Mitch Barri » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:57:05


Quote:

> since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups

I am not an expert at newsgroups.  Nor am I any kind of an expert at
cooking.  I do, however, know how to behave while dining.

Quote:
> why dont you start a new one rec.ponds.pictures
> that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
> need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
> that we think should be shared.

Anyone can attempt to start a newsgroup.  The details are available
at:

ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/news/groups/How_to_Create_...

(all one line; also, rtfm.mit.edu is traditionally the home of
archived Usenet FAQs).

Another useful file at that site mentioned binaries
(ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/news/newusers/questions/Ho...

"There are many newsgroups dedicated to posting various sorts of
binary files, such as images, computer software, etc.  These are
gathered under the alt.binaries.* and comp.binaries.* hierarchies.
(There are also some local binaries hierarchies, such as
de.alt.binaries.*)  These groups are the only places where you should
ever post a file that is not directly human-readable, such as
pictures, software, or even Microsoft Word files (which are not
readable unless you have a copy of Microsoft Word on your computer.)

"For more information, please refer to the FAQs in
alt.binaries.pictures.d

"These groups were set up so that sites could easily choose whether or
not to accept binary traffic, or perhaps to keep binary posts around
for a different length of time than non-binaries.  The average binary
file is many times larger than the average non-binary post, and many
sites and users do not want to devote resources to storing these
files.

"Do not post anything other than plain text in non-binaries groups.
If the group does not have the word 'binaries' in its name, do not
post binaries there."

So if you wanted binary group for ponds, it would need to be called
alt.binaries.pictures.ponds or something like that.

However, as the first document I mentioned says, starting a newgroup
is not always easy because there are already something like 50,000
newsgroups and resistance to new groups by sysops is often fierce.
Much better to use groups that already exist, if possible.  Two
possibilities I have found are:

  alt.binaries.aquaria
  alt.binaries.pictures.gardens

These groups already exist and are made for posting binaries related
to fish and gardens.

Quote:
> this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
> yet

And in any case, Web sites really are the best way to show people
pictures.  It's easier for folks to click on a link than to download
the daily output of a binary newsgroup just in case there's a picture
there they want to see.  Recently, one or more rec.ponds regulars have
offered Web space to anyone who needed it.

Meanwhile, binary files and binary newsgroups can be such a pain in
the neck for an ISP (disk storage, bandwidth, possible copyright
issues) that many (such as my own ISP) are dropping support for binary
newsgroups.  So you see not only are binaries a hassle for ISPs, but
your own ISP may soon stop carrying binary newsgroups altogether, thus
reinforcing the desirability of a Web-based approach for sharing
pictures.

Mitch

--

       http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by John Rut » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:12:03


John and Mike
I tried to do the alt binaries ponds thing and couldnt find
out how to add new newsgroup, guess on computers Im still
prtty dense.
Mich seems to know what hes doing so I kinda turned it over
to him

John Rutz

Quote:

> John....the binary issue is OK if your ISP has a decent "retention" time for binary
> ngs....i.e. at *least* 7 days.
> Unfortunately, there are many who have extremely short retention times, I just checked

> less than 24 hours!!!   So, anything posted yesterday afternoon is no longer
> available....and Google doesn't archive binaries.   There as also the issue of hoping
> that your ISP will pick up a new binary group as well...many simply will not due to
> the sheer cost of disk storage.

> Actually creating a new alt. group is very easy, all that's initially needed is a ctrl
> msg.   Making it readily available to all is a different kettle of fish!! :-)

> All things considered....webspace is where binaries belong in order to provide easy
> access to all.

> Mike Simpson


> > Mitch
> > since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups why dont you
> > start a new one
> > rec.ponds.pictures
> > that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
> > need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
> > that we think should be shared.
> > this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
> > yet

> > John Rutz



> > > > Here is a photo i hope AL

> > > You have been here long enough to understand binaries are not welcome
> > > in non-binary groups like rec.ponds.

> > > Mitch

> > > --

> > >        http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by John Rut » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 08:23:10


well dang Mitch I was hoping you could help create one( see
my previos post) guess we'll have to create a open web site
posting password recponds or something like that, for every
one that needs to post just one or two pics and they can
post that its there to rec.ponds I'll try to do it after I
get my hoop house finished which is begining to look like
itl take the rest of sept, unless someone wants to go ahead
with it (hint) :-)

anyway Mitch thanks
John Rutz

Quote:


> > since you seem to be so expert on newsgroups

> I am not an expert at newsgroups.  Nor am I any kind of an expert at
> cooking.  I do, however, know how to behave while dining.

> > why dont you start a new one rec.ponds.pictures
> > that way we would all have a place to post pitures that we
> > need identification on such as the red newt or just photos
> > that we think should be shared.

> Anyone can attempt to start a newsgroup.  The details are available
> at:

> ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/news/groups/How_to_Create_...

> (all one line; also, rtfm.mit.edu is traditionally the home of
> archived Usenet FAQs).

> Another useful file at that site mentioned binaries
> (ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/news/newusers/questions/Ho...

> "There are many newsgroups dedicated to posting various sorts of
> binary files, such as images, computer software, etc.  These are
> gathered under the alt.binaries.* and comp.binaries.* hierarchies.
> (There are also some local binaries hierarchies, such as
> de.alt.binaries.*)  These groups are the only places where you should
> ever post a file that is not directly human-readable, such as
> pictures, software, or even Microsoft Word files (which are not
> readable unless you have a copy of Microsoft Word on your computer.)

> "For more information, please refer to the FAQs in
> alt.binaries.pictures.d

> "These groups were set up so that sites could easily choose whether or
> not to accept binary traffic, or perhaps to keep binary posts around
> for a different length of time than non-binaries.  The average binary
> file is many times larger than the average non-binary post, and many
> sites and users do not want to devote resources to storing these
> files.

> "Do not post anything other than plain text in non-binaries groups.
> If the group does not have the word 'binaries' in its name, do not
> post binaries there."

> So if you wanted binary group for ponds, it would need to be called
> alt.binaries.pictures.ponds or something like that.

> However, as the first document I mentioned says, starting a newgroup
> is not always easy because there are already something like 50,000
> newsgroups and resistance to new groups by sysops is often fierce.
> Much better to use groups that already exist, if possible.  Two
> possibilities I have found are:

>   alt.binaries.aquaria
>   alt.binaries.pictures.gardens

> These groups already exist and are made for posting binaries related
> to fish and gardens.

> > this would be good for those of us that dont have web sites
> > yet

> And in any case, Web sites really are the best way to show people
> pictures.  It's easier for folks to click on a link than to download
> the daily output of a binary newsgroup just in case there's a picture
> there they want to see.  Recently, one or more rec.ponds regulars have
> offered Web space to anyone who needed it.

> Meanwhile, binary files and binary newsgroups can be such a pain in
> the neck for an ISP (disk storage, bandwidth, possible copyright
> issues) that many (such as my own ISP) are dropping support for binary
> newsgroups.  So you see not only are binaries a hassle for ISPs, but
> your own ISP may soon stop carrying binary newsgroups altogether, thus
> reinforcing the desirability of a Web-based approach for sharing
> pictures.

> Mitch

> --

>        http://www.employees.org/~redneck/ghrc/oldpond.htm

 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by John 'Shaggy' Koles » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:55:12


Actually, I liked Mitch's suggestion to use

alt.binaries.pictures.gardens

for posting pictures and such of our ponds/critters.  The group already
exists, and seems to be relatively ontopic for water gardening stuff.

However, if we would rather go with the idea of setting up an open web
server for hosting things, I could probably put something together.
Depending on how much traffic it sees though, I might want to have pictures
be automatically removed after a couple weeks or so, just to prevent it
from taking up huge amounts of storage space on my servers (and
obviously keep on the lookout for *offtopic* stuff posted there).

John.

Quote:

>well dang Mitch I was hoping you could help create one( see
>my previos post) guess we'll have to create a open web site
>posting password recponds or something like that, for every
>one that needs to post just one or two pics and they can
>post that its there to rec.ponds I'll try to do it after I
>get my hoop house finished which is begining to look like
>itl take the rest of sept, unless someone wants to go ahead
>with it (hint) :-)

>anyway Mitch thanks
>John Rutz


>> However, as the first document I mentioned says, starting a newgroup
>> is not always easy because there are already something like 50,000
>> newsgroups and resistance to new groups by sysops is often fierce.
>> Much better to use groups that already exist, if possible.  Two
>> possibilities I have found are:

>>   alt.binaries.aquaria
>>   alt.binaries.pictures.gardens

>> These groups already exist and are made for posting binaries related
>> to fish and gardens.

--
                           *** John P. Kolesar ***

           *** Head Administrator, Monty Python's Flying Talker ***
        **************************************************************
 
 
 

Catfish, Algae Eater Question?

Post by ADBJ » Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:48:53


Sorry i did'nt Know, I don't have a computer. I have a web plus. I just
watch TV while im on the web and sit in front of my giant screen TV and
take videos and freeze the frame and send it. A rec pond photo site
sounds great. We could even post pictures of ourselves so we can see
what we all look like. It kind of warms up the atmosphere. Hope someone
does it AL.