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Post by the layton » Thu, 30 May 2002 10:12:07



Hi all,
Recently built a pond.No plastic liner just dug until I hit clay bottom.Then
I built a stone wall all the way around it.It's about 30 inches deep.Pond is
spring fed all the time.There is a two inch drain pipe that always has a
full stream of water running out of it.The pond is about 7 feet wide by 10
feet long.I then put 10 goldfish and 2 koi in it.The fish never come out of
the rocks!Now I've added some wild iris plants and thinking of adding some
cat tails and maybe an old wooden toy boat.Heres the problem I live in
upstate N.Y. will these fish live through the winter?Should I do any thing
else for these fish?Any help would be great.
                                    thanks mike
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Nube » Thu, 30 May 2002 22:14:46


Depends on what part of Upstate NY you are in.
I live in Central NJ and have kept my fish in the pond all winter.
It is important that the pond doesn't completeley freeze over.
(Not sure if there is a rule of thumb for bottom of pond to bottom of ice
cap
 Can the fish get by with 20 inches of free water with a 10 inch ice cap? ).

You must keep an area open for gass exchanges by either a pond heater
or running your pump 24x7.  If you run the pump then raise it high off the
bottom.
This is done so as to not disturb/mix the warmer water with the colder
water.

Quote:
> Hi all,
> Recently built a pond.No plastic liner just dug until I hit clay
bottom.Then
> I built a stone wall all the way around it.It's about 30 inches deep.Pond
is
> spring fed all the time.There is a two inch drain pipe that always has a
> full stream of water running out of it.The pond is about 7 feet wide by 10
> feet long.I then put 10 goldfish and 2 koi in it.The fish never come out
of
> the rocks!Now I've added some wild iris plants and thinking of adding some
> cat tails and maybe an old wooden toy boat.Heres the problem I live in
> upstate N.Y. will these fish live through the winter?Should I do any thing
> else for these fish?Any help would be great.
>                                     thanks mike

 
 
 

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Post by Just » Fri, 31 May 2002 00:09:15


Quote:

> Hi all,
> Recently built a pond.No plastic liner just dug until I hit clay bottom.Then
> I built a stone wall all the way around it.It's about 30 inches deep.Pond is
> spring fed all the time.There is a two inch drain pipe that always has a
> full stream of water running out of it.The pond is about 7 feet wide by 10
> feet long.I then put 10 goldfish and 2 koi in it.The fish never come out of
> the rocks!Now I've added some wild iris plants and thinking of adding some
> cat tails and maybe an old wooden toy boat.Heres the problem I live in
> upstate N.Y. will these fish live through the winter?Should I do any thing
> else for these fish?Any help would be great.
>                                     thanks mike

Upstate New York, with its cold winters, probably will not be suitable
for that depth. Most ponders would agree that a good depth is about 3
feet to be "sure" that your pond overwinters. You could probably get
away with this depth if you implement a heating system, use a de-icer,
use an airstone, or use some other method of maintaining a hole in the
ice. Right now the fish are probably timid and only time will "loosen"
them up to come to the surface to greet their owner. Good luck!

Justin

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Post by Nedr » Fri, 31 May 2002 20:05:02


Yesterday was such a sad day for me.  I lost my little 8 year old
kitty to cancer.  I've cried a dozen rivers but the pain wont stop.
Her little 2 year old adopted brothers are beside
themselves - still searching the house for her. I know it's the
best for CoCo ... but still it does hurt so much.   I know that someone on
here posted a poem called
'Rainbow Bridge'.
It was such a comfort to me when I lost her brother and sister
several years ago..  Could someone please post again?

Nedra
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

Quote:
> Hi all,
> Recently built a pond.No plastic liner just dug until I hit clay
bottom.Then
> I built a stone wall all the way around it.It's about 30 inches deep.Pond
is
> spring fed all the time.There is a two inch drain pipe that always has a
> full stream of water running out of it.The pond is about 7 feet wide by 10
> feet long.I then put 10 goldfish and 2 koi in it.The fish never come out
of
> the rocks!Now I've added some wild iris plants and thinking of adding some
> cat tails and maybe an old wooden toy boat.Heres the problem I live in
> upstate N.Y. will these fish live through the winter?Should I do any thing
> else for these fish?Any help would be great.
>                                     thanks mike

 
 
 

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Post by Rod Farl » Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:24:57


Quote:

>Pond is
>spring fed all the time.There is a two inch drain pipe that always has a
>full stream of water running out of it.The pond is about 7 feet wide by 10
>feet long.I then put 10 goldfish and 2 koi in it.

What temperature is the water?
Spring water in upstate NY might be about 50 F year-round, which
is a bit cold for Koi.  
Deep spring water may also be depleted in oxygen, and supersaturated
in carbon dioxide and nitrogen.  In winter, when the pond freezes over,
the fish might die.  Aeration may help, if the water flow were limited.
Shallow springs (basically stream water) won't have these problems,
but the spring may stop flowing in winter.
- Rod
 
 
 

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Post by APV.. » Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:31:19


Hi mike i live in the Catskills and if u don't put a tree net over it
EVENTUALLY the Heron will clean u out. As for winter just keep an area
open for gas exchange. Good luck AL
 
 
 

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Post by the layton » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 06:27:34


I have my pond all done.Well for now anyway I realize that your never really
done.Here's my problem I would like to dig it a little deeper.If I have a
backhoe come in and dig will this hurt the fish?When i first dug it stayed
cloudy for about four days.There weren't any fish in there then though.Any
help would be great. Thanks
 
 
 

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Post by Cab » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:08:54


Maybe you could net and move them to a tank or troft until the water
settles. Breathing all that mud can't be good for them. Or maybe dig
the deeper part next to your existing pond, fill and wait until it
settles before you connect the two by making a stream or spillway.

but, what do I know :)
hps

Quote:

> I have my pond all done.Well for now anyway I realize that your never really
> done.Here's my problem I would like to dig it a little deeper.If I have a
> backhoe come in and dig will this hurt the fish?When i first dug it stayed
> cloudy for about four days.There weren't any fish in there then though.Any
> help would be great. Thanks

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Post by dr-s.. » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 09:25:25


I agree.  Ingrid
Quote:

>Maybe you could net and move them to a tank or troft until the water
>settles. Breathing all that mud can't be good for them. Or maybe dig
>the deeper part next to your existing pond, fill and wait until it
>settles before you connect the two by making a stream or spillway.