Are baby goldfish always gold?

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Are baby goldfish always gold?

Post by Nicola Halliwel » Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:00:00



I have been away from my Garden pond for some time (18 months) and had 4
goldfish when I left.  I had someone 'looking after' them but when I
returned there was only 1 goldfish left, about 5-6 inches long, maybe
longer.  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3
inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might be
last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.  They are a
dark grey colour, and when the sun-light is shining they appear to have
a bit of a gold hue, but that might just be my imagination.

Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
anything special for this?
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Are baby goldfish always gold?

Post by J&D McGi » Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:00:00



  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3

Quote:
> inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might be
> last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.

In my experience none of the young fish are gold but over time (a year?)
most but not all of them turn gold. Mind you, I started with a bag of
feeders so they certainly had no pedigree but over the years I have had the
original 50 turn into hundreds and I never saw a 1" or 2" gold one, only
when they approach 3" did they develop color.
 
 
 

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Post by Alan Farm » Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
> light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
> have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
> anything special for this?

Most likely yes.Some of my comets born last year and wintered over are
still brown/grey.It appears some just change color quicker than
others.Even up to the 3-4 inch size.

Alan

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Post by Bill Winterhole » Wed, 02 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> dark grey colour, and when the sun-light is shining they appear to have
> a bit of a gold hue, but that might just be my imagination.

> Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
> light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
> have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
> anything special for this?

While it is possible that visiting wildlife might have dropped off fish
eggs into your pond (eggs that were clinging to their fur or was in
their feces), the chances are that the fish are goldfish.  The ancestors
of goldfish were dark carp (Cruacian I think) and broods of Goldfish
hatchlings will yield a good number of dark greyish fish.  

I have had several hatches of goldfish in my pond and have a number of
them that have grown from dark hatchlings into chocolate colored fish.
Don't be dissapointed, they mature into beautiful fish that are just as
enjoyable to watch as their gold or calico cousins (siblings, parents,
whatever).  As for diet...in time they may change color, perhaps forming
patches of gold or orange or white, but diet won't change their scale
color anymore than a diet would change your hair color.

Bill

 
 
 

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Post by b.. » Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>I have been away from my garden pond for some time (18 months) and had 4
>goldfish when I left.  I had someone 'looking after' them but when I
>returned there was only 1 goldfish left, about 5-6 inches long, maybe
>longer.  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3
>inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might be
>last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.  They are a
>dark grey colour, and when the sun-light is shining they appear to have
>a bit of a gold hue, but that might just be my imagination.

>Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
>light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
>have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
>anything special for this?

        hey probably are "goldfish" but if they are from last year, they will
not turn gold. Original goldfish were this color. If they have lived this long
they sholud survive on what you fed last year plus normal pond flora and fauna.

bernie

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Colto » Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:00:00




Quote:

>Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
>light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
>have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
>anything special for this?

It is highly likely that they are goldfish - they all seem to start off
black / dark brown / bronze and then change to gold / orange over time,
although I have some that are now nearly two years old that are still
black / bronze.

I have seen orange fry as small as 1/4 inch and only a few months old,
however, most seem to stay black / bronze for longer. One of the
problems of being an orange goldfish of less than half an inch in my
pond is the strong resemblance to the Koi food sticks that I feed the
rest of the fish on. This may be why I don't see many small orange
goldfish.

Keep watching your fish - it is fascinating to watch them colour up over
time.

Paul.

--
Paul Colton
S.E.England

 
 
 

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Post by Paul L » Thu, 03 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> I have seen orange fry as small as 1/4 inch and only a few months old,
> however, most seem to stay black / bronze for longer. One of the
> problems of being an orange goldfish of less than half an inch in my
> pond is the strong resemblance to the Koi food sticks that I feed the
> rest of the fish on. This may be why I don't see many small orange
> goldfish.

Actually, Koi do NOT eat small fish if they recognize them
as fish. Just added 12 feeders to my pond, it's funny to
watch those little guys meant to run for their life while
the large Koi who could have swallowed them just ignored
them. Even witnessed one Koi confused and chased one feeder
just to turn arround and left it alone.
Quote:

> Keep watching your fish - it is fascinating to watch them colour up over
> time.

 
 
 

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Post by donn » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Keep watching your fish - it is fascinating to watch them colour up over
>time.

i had no problem waiting for my goldfish to turn gold. however, the first time
i saw one starting to turn white i panicked.

now about 1/4 of my (i swear) thousands of goldfish are pure white. just in
the genes, i guess! :-)

donna
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Post by Tony Sande » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00




Quote:


>  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3
>> inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might be
>> last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.

>In my experience none of the young fish are gold but over time (a year?)
...snip...
>when they approach 3" did they develop color.

I missed the original message somehow ...

I seem to recall reading an article some years ago that goldfish often
develop little or no gold colour, if they are kept in relatively cool
temperature water for the first 9 months (or so) of their lives.
Conversely, the article may have pointed to the gold colour of
goldfish only developing with any certainty and to any great extent if
the fish are raised in heated water.  It was some time ago, and before
I had any enthusiasm for goldfish, so I didn't retain the detail of
the article.

So, the non-gold coloured fish reported in the original message may
well be goldfish, in fact.

I wonder if anyone 'listening' as any more info.

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Post by Degerbe » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


We had the same family of gold fish for about 35 years in my mother's pond
and eventually they all bred white and bigger.

Great- Uncle Bob
Uncle Bob

 
 
 

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Post by Kellie Sisson Snide » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:





> >  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3
> >> inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might be
> >> last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.

> >In my experience none of the young fish are gold but over time (a year?)
> ...snip...
> >when they approach 3" did they develop color.

> I missed the original message somehow ...

> I seem to recall reading an article some years ago that goldfish often
> develop little or no gold colour, if they are kept in relatively cool
> temperature water for the first 9 months (or so) of their lives.
> Conversely, the article may have pointed to the gold colour of
> goldfish only developing with any certainty and to any great extent if
> the fish are raised in heated water.

I'm afraid this is probably inaccurate.  My pond fish are of a variety
of colors.  I've seen large comets who were still the olive green color.
They tend to revert back to grass carp colorations after a few
generations, and feeders have more common ***lines than fancier ones.
Coloration is genetic.  

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Post by Kellie Sisson Snide » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:



> > Could they be goldfish?  The man in the local pet shop said they can be
> > light grey, but mine are dark grey.  If they are goldfish how long do I
> > have to wait for them to change to gold?  Do I need to feed them
> > anything special for this?

> Most likely yes.Some of my comets born last year and wintered over are
> still brown/grey.It appears some just change color quicker than
> others.Even up to the 3-4 inch size.

This has been my experience, too.  Some stay dark brown for a year.  
Some of my fry from last summer still have residual black on them.  
Others were gold from the time they were 1/2" long.
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Post by Kellie Sisson Snide » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> original 50 turn into hundreds and I never saw a 1" or 2" gold one, only> when they approach 3" did they develop color.

Some of mine turn gold quite early, like when they are 1/2" long.  
Others take as much as a year!
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Now my dogma's dead and my karma's out of alignment.
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Post by Stephen Walk » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


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>Subject: Re: Are baby goldfish always gold?
>Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:45:43 -0500
<snip>
>Actually, Koi do NOT eat small fish if they recognize them
>as fish.

<snip>

In my experience, Koi will eat just about anything edible that they can catch
and get into their mouths.

There is evidence that most omnivorous cyprinids will eat fry, given half a
chance.

I can't imagine koi eating goldfish of the size sold in shops though.

Steve

--

From where I'm sitting, you lot don't all pass the Turing test.

 
 
 

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Post by fishhea » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00


  Hi there,  My goldfish had 2 fry survive last spring = they are still a
greenish brown but they are goldfish!  We are hoping they turn gold soon!
They are hard to see and I guess thats natures intent for them.    
Fishlady


Quote:


> >> >  The really mysterious thing is now I have 3 new fish, about 2-3
> >> inches that no-one knows where they came from.  I thought they might
be
> >> last season's off-spring except they are not gold in colour.

> >In my experience none of the young fish are gold but over time (a year?)
> ...snip...
> >when they approach 3" did they develop color.