Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

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Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by wa.. » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00



If there are.... I would like to learn from all your experiences! I am
planning my 2nd outdoor pond and do not want to make any mistakes that
could harm my 16 (out of 20) remaining koi! The first pond was just a
happening 16" deep when we hit a solid limestone rockledge!
I may have to build on top of that rock and build an above ground pond
(so any experiences with insulating a pond)?!
Thanx in advance!
Waslo
 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by jaroslaw golembiowsk » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Hi, I'm in zone 5, and I've found that using a bottom drain to supply
water to the waterfall is a big no, no. The water cools much too quickly
in the fall.

Instead, 5 years ago I built a 1000 gallon pond at a friend's and we put
in a skimmer with underwater pump, no bottom drain and it works great all
winter with a floating area heater. The water fall runs all winter
despite the ice that forms. This pond has two 34 inch koi ,
and one 12 inch,  6 sarassa goldfish and that's it. In 5 years they have
never been sick.

I've since built ponds with bottom drains just for cleaning. I feed once
a week in September and nothing in October and it's worked for me.
Presently we are working on  a pond that's is partly above ground with
bails of straw sealed in concrete like you would build a straw house. The
liner is 30' x 50'
so it's going to be big!
I'm also toying with the idea of building a pond with the return water
going under a large compost pile.

Quote:

> If there are.... I would like to learn from all your experiences! I am
> planning my 2nd outdoor pond and do not want to make any mistakes that
> could harm my 16 (out of 20) remaining koi! The first pond was just a
> happening 16" deep when we hit a solid limestone rockledge!
> I may have to build on top of that rock and build an above ground pond
> (so any experiences with insulating a pond)?!
> Thanx in advance!
> Waslo

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by jan jord » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>I've since built ponds with bottom drains just for cleaning. I feed once
>a week in September and nothing in October and it's worked for me.

When does Zone 5 (approximate month) start feeding again? ~ jan Zone 7a
 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by EM43 » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>When does Zone 5 (approximate month) start feeding again? ~ jan Zone 7a

Jan, we had water above 50 in mid-April.

Saw the fish in late March.  

Ed in Chicago

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by jaroslaw golembiowsk » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00


For my fish in ponds I don't start feeding until the end of may. Although
they will take food as early as March, I don't feed. They make meals out of
the green lush growth that covers the pond liners and by the end of May they
have systematically scraped all of the algae off. It seem cruel not to feed
for 7 months but it's the only thing that has worked for me in regards to
systemic intestinal diseases and water quality. In another pond I have 2
large koi  32" alone in a 1000 gallons, they have not been on regular meals
for over a year and feed exclusively from the pond. I've read that at this
size they only need 2% body weight a day which they easily get from the
pond. They haven't lost any weight and there colors have intensified. But,
at times I miss not feeding them and I'll give them some caviar (worms) so
that they still stay friendly. No, no big rush for food when they see me
anymore.
Quote:

> >I've since built ponds with bottom drains just for cleaning. I feed once
> >a week in September and nothing in October and it's worked for me.

> When does Zone 5 (approximate month) start feeding again? ~ jan Zone 7a

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by Derek Broughto » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> For my fish in ponds I don't start feeding until the end of
may. Although
> they will take food as early as March, I don't feed. They make
meals out of


> > When does Zone 5 (approximate month) start feeding again? ~

jan Zone 7a

That's about what I do too.  They wouldn't have been fed for the
last couple of weeks (if I'd seen them - the Heron came back, but
I'm not panicking this time!), and they'll start getting food in
may, depending on temperature.
--
Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond)
rec.ponds FAQ  http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar. - Shakespeare

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by Lorrain » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Hi Waslo, I am in Zone 5 and tried to answer your question but it kept
being sent back.

Lorraine

Quote:

> If there are.... I would like to learn from all your experiences! I am
> planning my 2nd outdoor pond and do not want to make any mistakes that
> could harm my 16 (out of 20) remaining koi! The first pond was just a
> happening 16" deep when we hit a solid limestone rockledge!
> I may have to build on top of that rock and build an above ground pond
> (so any experiences with insulating a pond)?!
> Thanx in advance!
> Waslo

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by nedra10 » Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:00:00


 I'm not a strict Zone 5.  Rather I'm on the borderline between 6 and 5.
I can't set an approximate month to begin feeding the koi in spring time
because of the freeze/ thaw/freeze/thaw cycle here.  It all depends upon
whether or not we have a mild winter.   When the water temperature stays at
50 degrees F --  or more ---  I begin to feed the Koi and Goldfish  Romet B.

Nedra / Missouri / Zone 6

--
 Nedra's Ponds:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836/

Quote:
> >I've since built ponds with bottom drains just for cleaning. I feed once
> >a week in September and nothing in October and it's worked for me.

> When does Zone 5 (approximate month) start feeding again? ~ jan Zone 7a

 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by Walter Schlom » Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Guys &Girl's Please gimme a hint!

I'm sooo confused !

QUOTE:  Vegie filter - an area, 10% of the size of your pond surface
area, about 12" to 18" deep,

QUESTION: My pond is 19 feet  x 19 feet = 361 Sq./Ft. Divided by 10
(%) = 36 Sq./Ft. for veggie filter? Which in turn would be a 6 ft. x 6
ft. pond.

QUOTE: (Pond volume x 0.625 equals the square footage of a 1 foot deep
veggie filter.

QUESTION:  My pond volume is 19 x 19 x 3.5 x 7.48 x 0.625 = 5906 Which
would be a pond of 76 x 76 ft . Where does my figuring go out of
whack?

Quoting: This is calculated for  one turnover every 4 hours. But in my
case having 9450 gallons to turn over every 4 hours I do need only to
turn over 1263.5 gallons per hour! To have the biomass in contact for
20 minutes I figure that I need a filter of ( 1263 / 60 min. x 20 min
= 421 root of 421 = 20.5 sq./ft.

 So here we have another of these extremes of not really knowing!

Please educate me in the wonders of pondering!
Walter

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Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by Bonni » Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Guys &Girl's Please gimme a hint!

> I'm sooo confused !

> QUOTE:  Vegie filter - an area, 10% of the size of your pond surface
> area, about 12" to 18" deep,

> QUESTION: My pond is 19 feet  x 19 feet = 361 Sq./Ft. Divided by 10
> (%) = 36 Sq./Ft. for veggie filter? Which in turn would be a 6 ft. x 6
> ft. pond.

> QUOTE: (Pond volume x 0.625 equals the square footage of a 1 foot deep
> veggie filter.

> QUESTION:  My pond volume is 19 x 19 x 3.5 x 7.48 x 0.625 = 5906 Which
> would be a pond of 76 x 76 ft . Where does my figuring go out of
> whack?

> Quoting: This is calculated for  one turnover every 4 hours. But in my
> case having 9450 gallons to turn over every 4 hours I do need only to
> turn over 1263.5 gallons per hour! To have the biomass in contact for
> 20 minutes I figure that I need a filter of ( 1263 / 60 min. x 20 min
> = 421 root of 421 = 20.5 sq./ft.

>  So here we have another of these extremes of not really knowing!

> Please educate me in the wonders of pondering!
> Walter

>  _,-=-._
> ,' _____ `.
> '=(-o=o-)='
>    \(_)/
>     )"(
>     """


Hi Walter,
Just to throw a wrench into the veggie filter.  A long narrow filter
works better than a square filter.
Bonnie
 
 
 

Is There any Zone 5 Koi Keepers?

Post by ranchu_da.. » Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Walter,

I do not know where you got the second equation set, but from the
resource books that I have you take 10% of your ponds surface area
which is 361 square feet.  This calculates to 36.1 square feet or an
area like you said of 6 feet by 6 feet.  This are should be 12 to 18
inches deep.  The reason for this is two fold:  1.  plants like water
hyacinths and water lettuce have roots that will get about that long if
no fish or other herbivores are present; 2.  it allows for a more
concentrated flow around the roots at this depth.  This is usually
referred to as natural filter and consists of plants only.  I know of a
number of individuals that is the only method of filtration of their
pond.  The water is usually brought into the veggie-filer area at the
far end at the bottom so the water is welling-up into the veggie-filter
pond and then there is at the far end a discharge via a stream or
preferably a waterfall in to the main pond.  The roots besides using
the nutrients provided by the flow also act as a natural mechanical
particle filter.  The resources I have also say that the flow through
this filter should be one quarter of the total gallonage of the pond to
one half of the pond volume per hour.  The higher rate is usually for
high stocking capacities depending on your fish.  At one quarter of
your pond volume this means, by my calculations, you would need to run
2363 gallons per hour through the filter, which would turn your entire
pond over in 4 hours.

Hope this helps.

Ranchu_Daddy
Tom



Quote:
> Guys &Girl's Please gimme a hint!

> I'm sooo confused !

> QUOTE:  Vegie filter - an area, 10% of the size of your pond surface
> area, about 12" to 18" deep,

> QUESTION: My pond is 19 feet  x 19 feet = 361 Sq./Ft. Divided by 10
> (%) = 36 Sq./Ft. for veggie filter? Which in turn would be a 6 ft. x 6
> ft. pond.

> QUOTE: (Pond volume x 0.625 equals the square footage of a 1 foot deep
> veggie filter.

> QUESTION:  My pond volume is 19 x 19 x 3.5 x 7.48 x 0.625 = 5906 Which
> would be a pond of 76 x 76 ft . Where does my figuring go out of
> whack?

> Quoting: This is calculated for  one turnover every 4 hours. But in my
> case having 9450 gallons to turn over every 4 hours I do need only to
> turn over 1263.5 gallons per hour! To have the biomass in contact for
> 20 minutes I figure that I need a filter of ( 1263 / 60 min. x 20 min
> = 421 root of 421 = 20.5 sq./ft.

>  So here we have another of these extremes of not really knowing!

> Please educate me in the wonders of pondering!
> Walter

>  _,-=-._
> ,' _____ `.
> '=(-o=o-)='
>    \(_)/
>     )"(
>     """


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