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Fish do feel pain

Post by vince candlin » Thu, 01 May 2003 22:24:00



Here is an interesting artical on fish and pain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

 
 
 

Fish do feel pain

Post by Sam Hopkin » Fri, 02 May 2003 05:40:52


This brings up a good point. I guess there is no difference in hooking a
fish in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you and hooking your pet dog
in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you.

Sam


Quote:
> Here is an interesting artical on fish and pain.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

 
 
 

Fish do feel pain

Post by Bill » Fri, 02 May 2003 06:52:12



Quote:
> This brings up a good point. I guess there is no difference in hooking a
> fish in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you and hooking your pet dog
> in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you.

    Well, dog doesn't taste as good fried in butter over an open flame.

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Post by Catherine & Ken Ros » Fri, 02 May 2003 07:01:14


Quote:

>    Well, dog doesn't taste as good fried in butter over an open flame.

Correct, it really needs to be stewed or made into a soup.

Next time you visit a Korea restaurant ask for posintang soup.

 
 
 

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Post by daytrippe » Fri, 02 May 2003 07:40:57




Quote:


>> Here is an interesting artical on fish and pain.

>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

>This brings up a good point. I guess there is no difference in hooking a
>fish in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you and hooking your pet dog
>in the mouth and dragging it 100 feet to you.

>Sam

Really?

If you hook a fish and try to reel it in, which way does the fish usually try
to go - away from you, or towards you?

And if you were to actually hook your pet dog in the mouth and start reeling
it in, which way do you think your pet would try to go - away from you, or
towards you?

Finally, if you were to actually hook your closest friend in the mouth and
start reeling him/her toward you, which way do you think he/she would try to
move?

/daytripper (Still think there's no difference?)

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Bel » Fri, 02 May 2003 07:54:11


Quote:
> >> Here is an interesting artical on fish and pain.

> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

Ah, yes - that fine source of scientific journalism that also had an
article today, explaining "Why we are not like E.T.". Wouldn't have been a
bad discussion of DNA, except for the mention that humans are equipped
with "24 chromosomes".  

(For the bio-challanged, it's 46, in 23 pairs, actually!)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2985345.stm

Dave

 
 
 

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Post by Elieze » Fri, 02 May 2003 08:11:04


Daytripper, I don't get your point.  If your best friend expected to be eaten
after hooking and dragging, I would assume he would try to get away, just like
a fish or dog.
 
 
 

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Post by daytrippe » Fri, 02 May 2003 09:47:17



Quote:
>Daytripper, I don't get your point.  If your best friend expected to be eaten
>after hooking and dragging, I would assume he would try to get away, just like
>a fish or dog.

OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper lip with a
nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel sal***er - hook and started
reeling you in, would instinctively try to run the other way, or would you
instead move quickly *towards* the person with the reel?
 
 
 

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Post by Cybe R. Wizar » Fri, 02 May 2003 10:02:07


Quote:


>>Daytripper, I don't get your point.  If your best friend expected to
>>be eaten after hooking and dragging, I would assume he would try to
>>get away, just like a fish or dog.

> OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper
> lip with a nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel
> sal***er - hook and started reeling you in, would instinctively try
> to run the other way, or would you instead move quickly *towards*
> the person with the reel?

I'd move /toward/ the reeler at speed and
<Mr. T>
pity the fool
</Mr. T>
 when I got there!

Cybe R. Wizard
--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

 
 
 

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Post by daytrippe » Fri, 02 May 2003 11:33:25


On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"

Quote:



>>>Daytripper, I don't get your point.  If your best friend expected to
>>>be eaten after hooking and dragging, I would assume he would try to
>>>get away, just like a fish or dog.

>> OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper
>> lip with a nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel
>> sal***er - hook and started reeling you in, would instinctively try
>> to run the other way, or would you instead move quickly *towards*
>> the person with the reel?

>I'd move /toward/ the reeler at speed and
><Mr. T>
>pity the fool
></Mr. T>
> when I got there!

>Cybe R. Wizard

Ah, there *are* sentient life forms here! Excellent! ;-)
 
 
 

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Post by Cybe R. Wizar » Fri, 02 May 2003 13:53:21


Quote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"



...lilttle bit of schnipps

Quote:
>>> OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper
>>> lip with a nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel
>>> sal***er - hook and started reeling you in, would instinctively
>>> try to run the other way, or would you instead move quickly
>>> *towards* the person with the reel?

>>I'd move /toward/ the reeler at speed and <Mr. T> pity the fool
>></Mr. T>
>> when I got there!

>>Cybe R. Wizard

> Ah, there *are* sentient life forms here! Excellent! ;-)

Dang!  First time I've ever been called /that!/ Thanks but...
you don't know me well, do you?    ;-}

Cybe R. Wizard

--
Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
"Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

 
 
 

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Post by Gregory Youn » Sat, 03 May 2003 08:10:47


I assume this thread started after the television ran coverage on an
experiment where a substance (I came in late so I didn't catch what it was)
was injected into the brain of cold water fish, and they reacted in a
fashion that the researchers described as "pain". duuuh.....
Some researchers are a piece of work!
It reminds me of my early days in training when the senior "experts" in
pediatrics said not to "waste time sedating babies" needing procedures "as
they don't feel the pain, they just demonstrate an instinctive response."
The sad thing is they really believed that for quite a few years!
It is interesting that none of us "younger" (then anyway) staff agreed with
them.
Kind of makes you wonder if some of the aggression/lack of empathy some
***s have may derive from certain childhood experiences doesn't it?
Happy ponding,
Greg




Quote:

> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"


> ...lilttle bit of schnipps
> >>> OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper
> >>> lip with a nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel
> >>> sal***er - hook and started reeling you in, would instinctively
> >>> try to run the other way, or would you instead move quickly
> >>> *towards* the person with the reel?

> >>I'd move /toward/ the reeler at speed and <Mr. T> pity the fool
> >></Mr. T>
> >> when I got there!

> >>Cybe R. Wizard

> > Ah, there *are* sentient life forms here! Excellent! ;-)

> Dang!  First time I've ever been called /that!/ Thanks but...
> you don't know me well, do you?    ;-}

> Cybe R. Wizard

> --
> Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

 
 
 

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Post by lynnmar » Sat, 03 May 2003 18:59:24


Quote:

> I assume this thread started after the television ran coverage on an
> experiment where a substance (I came in late so I didn't catch what it was)
> was injected into the brain of cold water fish, and they reacted in a
> fashion that the researchers described as "pain". duuuh.....
> Some researchers are a piece of work!
> It reminds me of my early days in training when the senior "experts" in
> pediatrics said not to "waste time sedating babies" needing procedures "as
> they don't feel the pain, they just demonstrate an instinctive response."
> The sad thing is they really believed that for quite a few years!
> It is interesting that none of us "younger" (then anyway) staff agreed with
> them.
> Kind of makes you wonder if some of the aggression/lack of empathy some
> ***s have may derive from certain childhood experiences doesn't it?
> Happy ponding,
> Greg





> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:02:07 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"


>  ...lilttle bit of schnipps
> > >>> OK, let's try it this way: if someone hooked you through the upper
> > >>> lip with a nice sharp - let's make it a 2/0 stainless steel
> > >>> sal***er - hook and started reeling you in, would instinctively
> > >>> try to run the other way, or would you instead move quickly
> > >>> *towards* the person with the reel?

> > >>I'd move /toward/ the reeler at speed and <Mr. T> pity the fool
> > >></Mr. T>
> > >> when I got there!

> > >>Cybe R. Wizard

> > > Ah, there *are* sentient life forms here! Excellent! ;-)

> > Dang!  First time I've ever been called /that!/ Thanks but...
> > you don't know me well, do you?    ;-}

> > Cybe R. Wizard

> > --
> > Unofficial "Wizard of Odds," A.H.P.
> > Original PORG "Water Wizard," R.P.
> > "Wize(ned) Wizard," A.P.F-P-Y.
> > Barely Tolerated Wizard, A.J.L & A.A.L

   I think that fish do feel the pain that a fish hook delivers as
thats why they jump about daft on the end of the line when caught.
 
 
 

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Post by BenignVanill » Sat, 03 May 2003 22:22:26



Quote:
> I assume this thread started after the television ran coverage on an
> experiment where a substance (I came in late so I didn't catch what it
was)
> was injected into the brain of cold water fish, and they reacted in a
> fashion that the researchers described as "pain". duuuh.....
> Some researchers are a piece of work!
> It reminds me of my early days in training when the senior "experts" in
> pediatrics said not to "waste time sedating babies" needing procedures "as
> they don't feel the pain, they just demonstrate an instinctive response."
> The sad thing is they really believed that for quite a few years!
> It is interesting that none of us "younger" (then anyway) staff agreed
with
> them.
> Kind of makes you wonder if some of the aggression/lack of empathy some
> ***s have may derive from certain childhood experiences doesn't it?

Is there even a creature on the planet with a central nervous system that
doesn't feel pain? Is that possible? Sounds ludicrous to me.

BV.

 
 
 

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Post by Bill » Sat, 03 May 2003 22:48:37



Quote:

> Is there even a creature on the planet with a central nervous system that
> doesn't feel pain? Is that possible? Sounds ludicrous to me.

    The theory (IIRC) is that pain is a conscious response to nerve
stimulation. People clearly feel pain because we say so. Many other animals
don't act as if they feel pain. They show aversion to damage, they show
incapacitation, but they don't act like the animals that feel pain act. As
long as they still function, and as long as the danger of additional damage
is past, they seem to behave normally.

    So some people conclude that their brains are not wired to have a
conscious response to nerve stimulation (which makes sense, because what
would they do with it?). All they seem to have are non-conscious,
instinctual responses.

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