to hole...or not to hole..that is the question

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to hole...or not to hole..that is the question

Post by BeckyN » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00



I have always used "hole-less" pots for my lilies and oxygenating plants, as
 well as some of my bog plants.   I have recently realized that some water
 gardening shops sell  plastic mesh baskets with lots of perforations, and I
 think you are supposed to line them with burlap or some type of fabric to keep
 the soil from falling out.   I am planning a new pond for the spring, and am
 considering trying the mesh pots.    Has anyone had comparative experiences
 with the mesh versus solid pots?

becky

 
 
 

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Post by fishhea » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00


My lilies grew better in the mesh pots.  I lined them with old
cotton/polyester T shirts, filled them in, folded the shirt over the soil
about 2" and placed gravel over it to keep in place.  No stinking, gross
odor when you lift them up either.  
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>  considering trying the mesh pots.    Has anyone had comparative
experiences
>  with the mesh versus solid pots?

> becky

 
 
 

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Post by xs.. » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00


.. those mesh baskets are great for orchids.. cant overwater using them .. but
for water plants, every time I go to retrieve plants with my friend who runs a
wholesale water plant business those that have been put into the mesh have
lost the dirt around the roots and their ponds are dirtier with silt.. also,
the fertilizer tends to leach out faster and as a result, the plants are very
small.... solo


Quote:
>I have always used "hole-less" pots for my lilies and oxygenating plants, as
> well as some of my bog plants.   I have recently realized that some water
> gardening shops sell  plastic mesh baskets with lots of perforations, and I
> think you are supposed to line them with burlap or some type of fabric to
keep
> the soil from falling out.   I am planning a new pond for the spring, and am
> considering trying the mesh pots.    Has anyone had comparative experiences
> with the mesh versus solid pots?

>becky


 
 
 

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Post by John » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> .. those mesh baskets are great for orchids.. cant overwater using them .. but
> for water plants, every time I go to retrieve plants with my friend who runs a
> wholesale water plant business those that have been put into the mesh have
> lost the dirt around the roots and their ponds are dirtier with silt.. also,
> the fertilizer tends to leach out faster and as a result, the plants are very
> small.... solo


> >I have always used "hole-less" pots for my lilies and oxygenating plants, as
> > well as some of my bog plants.  

What I do not understand is why you can buy an annual flowering plant in
a plastic pot with holes for about five bucks, but an empty plastic pot
without holes also costs about five bucks from an aquatic plant supply
house.

John

 
 
 

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Post by fishhea » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00


They wouldn't leach as much with the basket being lined with an old T shirt
or any poly/cotton blend.  I have several lilies in the baskets and they
are much larger then the ones in regular pots.  I use the JOBE rosebush
sticks... i don't guess they leach much as those of you who have seen my
scanned pond pics can see how clear the water is to the bottom.  Perhaps
they're using a different fertalizer?  I plan to replace all the regular
pots with baskets (lined) next year since the lilies did so much better in
them.  
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Quote:
> lost the dirt around the roots and their ponds are dirtier with silt..
also,
> the fertilizer tends to leach out faster and as a result, the plants are
very
> small.... solo

 
 
 

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Post by Goldfis » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> What I do not understand is why you can buy an annual flowering plant in
> a plastic pot with holes for about five bucks, but an empty plastic pot
> without holes also costs about five bucks from an aquatic plant supply
> house.

Alas, there's the rub.  Here's the demographics.  Sit down, this might hurt.  We
ponders tend to be well educated and wealthy.  Also ponds aren't that common yet.
Therefore they gauge us!  Isn't that charming?

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Now my Dogma's Dead and my Karma's out of alignment.
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Post by BeckyN » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00


In order to save money, I would probably go to the local Wal Mart and buy some
 plastic  laundry baskets or something like that for planting my water plants.
  They are cheaper, bigger, and some of them are very strong.  I am thinking
 they will be "fish-safe."

becky

 
 
 

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Post by Jan Jord » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>I have always used "hole-less" pots for my lilies and oxygenating plants, as
> well as some of my bog plants.   I have recently realized that some water
> gardening shops sell  plastic mesh baskets with lots of perforations, and I
> think you are supposed to line them with burlap or some type of fabric to keep
> the soil from falling out.   I am planning a new pond for the spring, and am
> considering trying the mesh pots.    Has anyone had comparative experiences
> with the mesh versus solid pots?

becky,

I buy baskets from Walmart (99c) and line them with vinyl screen
(rolls at Eagle for screen door repair/replacement). The one thing
that is nice about baskets over solid pots is that the water can drain
out, making it less of a chore to take out of pond/carry. Solid pots
are nice for really rooty plants, rushes, cattails, etc. When you
divide these plants they slide out of a solid pot much easier.

~Keep 'em Wet!~
jan/3-Cities WA Zone 6.5
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Post by Katherine Hes » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>>I have always used "hole-less" pots for my lilies and oxygenating plants, as
> well as some of my bog plants.   I have recently realized that some water
> gardening shops sell  plastic mesh baskets with lots of perforations, and I
> think you are supposed to line them with burlap or some type of fabric to keep
> the soil from falling out.

Um, but do you need soil?  

I don't have a real pond, just a fishpot.  (About the size of a
half-barrel).  I always figured the point of the plants was to absorb
fish poop, and contribute to the balance in the system.  If I'm putting
in dirt for the plants, they won't do what I want them to do.

I put my iris corms in a pot, put a brick on top to keep them from
floating, and put it in the pot.  Works pretty well, mostly.  They bloom
maybe one year out of three. Sometimes the roots take off and cover too
much space - then I have to whack them back.  I tried putting the corm in
an old knee-high, but I don't think it did that much good.  

I bought a new plant from PetCo - they couldn't tell me what it was, or
whether it would make it through the winter, but it was cheap enough to
experiment. Some of the floating leaves are developing roots.  Wish it
luck - but it won't get dirt from me.

Katherine

 
 
 

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Post by fishhea » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Hi John,... I can ASSURE you that you don't NEED a holeless pot to grow
water plants.  They actually do better in a holed pot - I believe because
they get better circulation at the roots.  No stinking horrid odor at the
pot bottom and the roots use the whole pot not just the top area.  Don't be
RIPPED OFF (God I hate a rip off) by GREEDY $$$ hungry pot purveyors!  You
don't need them!
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder.  Remove "fatfish" to email.

Quote:
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> What I do not understand is why you can buy an annual flowering plant in
> a plastic pot with holes for about five bucks, but an empty plastic pot
> without holes also costs about five bucks from an aquatic plant supply
> house.

> John

 
 
 

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Post by Goldfis » Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:00:00


If anyone in the Dallas/FOrt Worth area wants to take a drive to south Irving, I
saw some pots today that would be perfect for ponds... they are shaped like a
laundry basket, with the grid and everything faked onto them- but they are solid,
black and of sturdy ***y plastic.  They are at Doan's Nursery- a whole sale
place on South Beltline almost to Grand Prairie.  They have great prices on
everything, just know what you want before you go there because nothing is
labeled.  The woman starts most of their plants herself in nine huge
greenhouses.

Quote:


> > Hi John,... I can ASSURE you that you don't NEED a holeless pot to grow
> > water plants.  They actually do better in a holed pot - I believe because
> > they get better circulation at the roots.  No stinking horrid odor at the
> > pot bottom and the roots use the whole pot not just the top area.  Don't be
> > RIPPED OFF (God I hate a rip off) by GREEDY $$$ hungry pot purveyors!  You
> > don't need them!
> > --
> > Carol.... the frugal ponder.  Remove "fatfish" to email.

> > ><(((?> ~~~~ }<(((?> ~~~~ ><(((?>~~~~ }<((>~~SNIP!

> It depends on the plant...  Some plants, like cattails should NEVER be
> put in any pot with holes in it.  It's hard enough to keep them in solid
> pots!!!  Other slow growing plants will do well in just about any pot.
> However, the Lerio pots aren't very expensive and they're the right
> shape for your pond.  Pond pots tend to be broader than they are tall
> since the plants are fairly shallow rooted.
> --
> Chuck Rush
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My Karma Ran Over My Dogma.  It was a Catastrophe.
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Post by Lori » Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> I pot in whatever I find.  Often neighbors are throwing away shrub or tree
> pots, or I have bird seed barrels or other barrels that something came in... If

In a magazine I have on ponds, they say to plant the water plants that
have root balls in nylon stockings.....therefore, npo pots to worry
about.

Lori

 
 
 

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Post by JTai » Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>In a magazine I have on ponds, they say to plant the water plants that
>have root balls in nylon stockings.....therefore, npo pots to worry
>about.

>Lori

Hmmm,

Just curious, if  no pot were used how would one go about making the plant stay
 upright in, say 12 inches of water with no discernable gunk/mud to secure it
 in?

 
 
 

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Post by Goldfis » Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> Hmmm,

> Just curious, if  no pot were used how would one go about making the plant stay
>  upright in, say 12 inches of water with no discernable gunk/mud to secure it
>  in?

 I've found that plants usually figure out which way is up, but my suggestion FWIW
would be to put the nylon covered root ball in a pot just to hold it up until it
gets it's directions straight!

--
Signed- Kellie  USDA zone 7/8, Sunset Zone 33
My Karma Ran Over My Dogma.  It was a Catastrophe.
Now my Dogma's Dead and my Karma's out of alignment.
Get in KNEE DEEP!  <http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/newsletter.html>