Moon's Graden

by **jay..** » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:29:21

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:51:43 -0500 (EST),

Quote:

>hi
>i have a pair of***atiels,that are having babies for the first time
>now.and a first for me.
>the male is clipped, and the female is not. Now that they are having
>babies.2 so far. i am wondering should i clipped or not.
>i asked my friends . the ones that i got the birds from. well that
>didn't do any good. One friend clipped and the other don't clipped.
>myself i rather not clipped at all. but there must be something about
>clipping, since some people goes for it. so could somebody else tell me
>what is the best thing to do, please & thank you

Check at www.cockatiels.org. There is an article that that explains
some of the pros and cons of clipped versus unclipped. The author
prefers clipped but she lists reasons on both sides of the argument so
that the owner can make what they feel is the best decision for their
situation.

by **Roy Bur** » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:51:43

hi
i have a pair of***atiels,that are having babies for the first time
now.and a first for me.
the male is clipped, and the female is not. Now that they are having
babies.2 so far. i am wondering should i clipped or not.
i asked my friends . the ones that i got the birds from. well that
didn't do any good. One friend clipped and the other don't clipped.
myself i rather not clipped at all. but there must be something about
clipping, since some people goes for it. so could somebody else tell me
what is the best thing to do, please & thank you

by **Mark N** » Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:43:43

Quote:

> Check at www.cockatiels.org. There is an article that that explains
> some of the pros and cons of clipped versus unclipped. The author
> prefers clipped but she lists reasons on both sides of the argument so
> that the owner can make what they feel is the best decision for their
> situation.

It definitely depends on your situation. I don't clip my 'tiels because I
prefer to let them do what nature has enabled them to do - fly around my
living room like a bunch of loonies :-)
But I do have a pocket door that I use to close off "the airlock" - this is
the entry point into our home that my wife and I use. No chance of
escapees... Even though "the airlock" is far enough away from my bird room
that my 'tiels are rarely caught near it, I still use it religiously.
Having such a setup, at least in my mind, is mandatory for flighted birds.
I can't help but think that flying is good exercise too...

Your mileage may vary :-)

Mark

by **oldmoll** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:04:54

Quote:

> hi
> i have a pair of***atiels,that are having babies for the first time
> now.and a first for me.
> the male is clipped, and the female is not. Now that they are having
> babies.2 so far. i am wondering should i clipped or not.
> i asked my friends . the ones that i got the birds from. well that
> didn't do any good. One friend clipped and the other don't clipped.
> myself i rather not clipped at all. but there must be something about
> clipping, since some people goes for it. so could somebody else tell me
> what is the best thing to do, please & thank you

I have a horrible suspicion you are intending to actually cut the babies
wings. As in wings, the limbs and not the fetahers when they are grown.
Please tell me this is not so.

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by **Roy Bur** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:28:36

hi
why do you like giving other people a hard time? don't you have
anything better to do. like giving good advise when people ask for it. i
take it that you like upsetting people. do you?

by **Mark N** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:03:50

Quote:

> hi
> why do you like giving other people a hard time? don't you have
> anything better to do. like giving good advise when people ask for it. i
> take it that you like upsetting people. do you?

Crazier things have been posted to usenet. I think that she wanted to make
sure that you were clipping feathers and not anything else - no accusations
(at least, I didn't read it that way) - just asking.

Whether or not you clip depends on your situation. For what it's worth, I
enjoy having my 'tiels fly over and land on my shoulder - given that they
could go anywhere, it's really cool that they come to me - they consider me
family.

I would recommend that you take a look at your house and the location of any
exits and determine the risk involved in clipping or not clipping and then
make a judgement based on that.

Good luck,
Mark

by **Roy Bur** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:58:50

hi
i been reading these posts for 1 month. anything you had post , i like
it. i didn't get upset about any of your post at all. and that is the
way it should be. we do not have to be RUDE to other people. we can all
point out things to each other .but we should be nice about it also.

by **Mark N** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:30:38

Quote:

> I have a horrible suspicion you are intending to actually cut the babies
> wings. As in wings, the limbs and not the fetahers when they are grown.
> Please tell me this is not so.

Uh, I really, REALLY hope you're wrong about this :-(

Mark

by **Roy Bur** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:12:26

hi
she is VERY WRONG ABOUT THIS.i wouldn't do that to the birds.
and for molly from what i get from her posts is that she LOVES to UPSET
people. that is what i FEEL anyway..
thank you . have a nice day

by **Marc** » Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:08:14

message

..
| hi
| i have a pair of***atiels,that are having babies for the
first time
| now.and a first for me.
| the male is clipped, and the female is not. Now that they
are having
| babies.2 so far. i am wondering should i clipped or not.
| i asked my friends . the ones that i got the birds from.
well that
| didn't do any good. One friend clipped and the other don't
clipped.
| myself i rather not clipped at all. but there must be
something about
| clipping, since some people goes for it. so could somebody
else tell me
| what is the best thing to do, please & thank you
|

The wing clipping issue is always a heated one... from both
sides. I
personally clip some of my birdies for their own safety, and
some others for
behavioural reasons and others rarely get clipped and some
other never get
clipped.

Safety: aside from inexperienced, spooked flyers smashing to
death (or
injury), we have a house full of birds (from canaries to
macaws) and I know
landing or flying in the wrong cage and it's *chomp!* Also,
when our kids
are here, open doors and windows are always an issue.

Behaviour: We have a few "less than friendly", bossy birds
that if fully
fligthed would not think twice about attacking other
birds/people if given a
chance.

Some of our breeders rarely get clipped as they are pretty
much in their
flights all the time. And others, like the canaries or
finches, never get clipped.

Some people will argue that birds are "meant to fly" ... but
they forget to
add "... in their natural habitat, away from cages, etc."
Other people will
argue that their fully flighted birds have never crashed
against
walls/windows/mirrors ... well, good for them, some other
people do not want
to take that risk.

For the reasons mentioned above, I choose to clip my
birdies. If you can
provide a fully secure environment for your fully flighted
bird, and if your
bird doesn't have any behavioural issues then keep it
flighted. If not, then
a light clip is in order.

--
Marco
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