Baby update!! and deformity question...

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Baby update!! and deformity question...

Post by Davina Stuar » Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:27:37



Well, it's been just over a week since Jerry had her babies (11-13).  We'd
guessed that she's had about 8 a few days ago since that was all I could see
when I did a quick count last Monday.  We decided that it was time to clean
her cage today since she'd started pushing all her cage litter out through
the bars (we'd cleaned it out a few days before she'd given birth, but we
hadn't wanted to disturb her too much til they were out of danger.) And we
needed to move her the larger cage since all the other mice are now in the
big 5 foot tank, since the one she was in was not going to be big enuf once
all those little ones started crawling around.
This meant we had to move the babies. We got the new cage all ready to go
and mixed in some of her old litter.  5 babies were down in the main cage do
we scooped them right up with the litter, no problem. (they've been coming
down from the nest the last two days, no matter how many times she drags
them back up. She gets one back up, and two more have gotten down....)
Anyway, in getting everyone shifted over, we finally got a good count... 10
babies!! one litter and we've tripled our mouse count!
some of them are just adorable markings.  One has a white mask over half
it's face, with the rest of the coat being dark. not sure yet if any of them
are going to be black or just dark brown.  they're pretty well divided, half
darker and half looking right now rather light grey.

There is one that we're somewhat concerned about.  Not having seen it cloely
until now, we though it just had dark paw markings on it's front feet. but
when moving it over we realised that it actually has club feet on both front
paws.  Other then that, it seems fully formed and is the same size as it's
siblings.  Has anyone else had this kid of a problem?? How likely is it to
be a serious problem later in this litte mouse's life??  Having made this
discovery only within the last hour, we're still trying to forsee problems..
The only ones we've come up with are climbing, and possibly eating.. we're
not sure how well it'd be able to pick up food.
Any information would be great.

Davina and her amazing 15 mice! (and we haven't even been at it a month!)

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Baby update!! and deformity question...

Post by Megha » Wed, 24 Nov 2004 04:14:51


Davina,

Congrats on your big litter!  I had a mouse last year, her name was
"Wheels".  She also had a clubbed foot - just one on her front left paw.  I
don't think she was actually able to use that foot for anything, but it
didn't stop her - thus her name "Wheels" because she loved running.  I don't
know if she was born that way, or if there was an accident when she was a
newborn (sometimes damage can be done by grooming or being stepped on) but
she lived a normal life span and quite happy too!  I don't know about both
front paws being clubbed, but I would imagine that the little mouse will
probably work around it and be fine.  One thing I've learned about mice is
that they are amazingly resilient and can overcome more than we would ever
believe!

 Meghan


Quote:
> Well, it's been just over a week since Jerry had her babies (11-13).  We'd
> guessed that she's had about 8 a few days ago since that was all I could
see
> when I did a quick count last Monday.  We decided that it was time to
clean
> her cage today since she'd started pushing all her cage litter out through
> the bars (we'd cleaned it out a few days before she'd given birth, but we
> hadn't wanted to disturb her too much til they were out of danger.) And we
> needed to move her the larger cage since all the other mice are now in the
> big 5 foot tank, since the one she was in was not going to be big enuf
once
> all those little ones started crawling around.
> This meant we had to move the babies. We got the new cage all ready to go
> and mixed in some of her old litter.  5 babies were down in the main cage
do
> we scooped them right up with the litter, no problem. (they've been coming
> down from the nest the last two days, no matter how many times she drags
> them back up. She gets one back up, and two more have gotten down....)
> Anyway, in getting everyone shifted over, we finally got a good count...
10
> babies!! one litter and we've tripled our mouse count!
> some of them are just adorable markings.  One has a white mask over half
> it's face, with the rest of the coat being dark. not sure yet if any of
them
> are going to be black or just dark brown.  they're pretty well divided,
half
> darker and half looking right now rather light grey.

> There is one that we're somewhat concerned about.  Not having seen it
cloely
> until now, we though it just had dark paw markings on it's front feet. but
> when moving it over we realised that it actually has club feet on both
front
> paws.  Other then that, it seems fully formed and is the same size as it's
> siblings.  Has anyone else had this kid of a problem?? How likely is it to
> be a serious problem later in this litte mouse's life??  Having made this
> discovery only within the last hour, we're still trying to forsee
problems..
> The only ones we've come up with are climbing, and possibly eating.. we're
> not sure how well it'd be able to pick up food.
> Any information would be great.

> Davina and her amazing 15 mice! (and we haven't even been at it a month!)

> --
> Please remove glasses when replying.

 
 
 

Baby update!! and deformity question...

Post by Uncle Dollar Bil » Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:56:12


On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:27:37 -0900 in the unsuspecting glenn of

and scrawled upon the toilet stall:

Quote:
> Well, it's been just over a week since Jerry had her babies (11-13).  We'd
> guessed that she's had about 8 a few days ago since that was all I could see
> when I did a quick count last Monday.  We decided that it was time to clean
> her cage today since she'd started pushing all her cage litter out through
> the bars (we'd cleaned it out a few days before she'd given birth, but we
> hadn't wanted to disturb her too much til they were out of danger.) And we
> needed to move her the larger cage since all the other mice are now in the
> big 5 foot tank, since the one she was in was not going to be big enuf once
> all those little ones started crawling around.
> This meant we had to move the babies. We got the new cage all ready to go
> and mixed in some of her old litter.  5 babies were down in the main cage do
> we scooped them right up with the litter, no problem. (they've been coming
> down from the nest the last two days, no matter how many times she drags
> them back up. She gets one back up, and two more have gotten down....)
> Anyway, in getting everyone shifted over, we finally got a good count... 10
> babies!! one litter and we've tripled our mouse count!
> some of them are just adorable markings.  One has a white mask over half
> it's face, with the rest of the coat being dark. not sure yet if any of them
> are going to be black or just dark brown.  they're pretty well divided, half
> darker and half looking right now rather light grey.

> There is one that we're somewhat concerned about.  Not having seen it cloely
> until now, we though it just had dark paw markings on it's front feet. but
> when moving it over we realised that it actually has club feet on both front
> paws.  Other then that, it seems fully formed and is the same size as it's
> siblings.  Has anyone else had this kid of a problem?? How likely is it to
> be a serious problem later in this litte mouse's life??  Having made this
> discovery only within the last hour, we're still trying to forsee problems..
> The only ones we've come up with are climbing, and possibly eating.. we're
> not sure how well it'd be able to pick up food.
> Any information would be great.

> Davina and her amazing 15 mice! (and we haven't even been at it a month!)

One of mine didn't have club paws, but it couldn't move its arms at all.  I
got it as an ***, so I don't know why it was in that condition - I
usually ask at the pet shops if they have any "unsellables" (I've a soft
spot for the "undermouse"), and that's how I got her.  She didn't have too
much of a problem eating, but she did look rather pitiful as she looked
like she was trying to bury her face in the food dish.  :-(  I also had to
lower the water bottle because she couldn't stand up as high as the other
mice.  She's since passed on, but sometimes at night when it's dark and I'm
passing near the tank, I swear I can still see her little ***sticking up
out of the food dish.  ;-)

But if your little mouse can move its arms, I'm sure eating won't be a
problem.  It will have to work a little harder to manipulate its food, but
it should be able to manage okay.  It will probably even figure out how to
climb and stuff.  It also won't be as capable of defending itself against
attacks from other mice, so it probably shouldn't be introduced to any new
mice when it gets older.  In the wild it wouldn't be nearly as agile as as
a "normal" mouse and thus would probably be more easily caught by predators
or killed by competing mice, but it's in your home and not in the wild.  So
its chances of survival are probably pretty good.  If possible, it's
probably a really good idea to keep it from breeding.  Maybe pick one other
of the same gender to raise it with for company and keep them separate from
those who actually breed.  Just a thought.

--
L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill

 
 
 

Baby update!! and deformity question...

Post by Davina Stuar » Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:46:43


I got a slightly better look at our little criple again today.  We're still
not entirely sure if it was born with the missing paws or if they might have
been chewed off.  My husband thinks they look more like they were chewed,
but it's really hard to tell at this point.  It really looks like she/he is
missing the whole lower half of the front legs.  we're going to let her go
and hope for the best.  We'll keep a close eye on her and see how she does.
If it manages to get along well, we'll keep her/him and do our best to give
it a good life, even if it winds up having to be tunnel free (not sure it'd
be able to climb very well..) And hopefully the other mice won't pick on her
too much.

Anyone have any good suggestions for when it would be appropriate to start
seriously handling the babies??  We have handled them a little bit now that
they're over a week old and Momma didn't seem to mind too much, but we don't
want to do anything to upset her too much, so have kept it to as minimal as
we could.  We know we need to get them socialized as soon as possible
though, to make things easier later. Momma doesn't run too much from the
hand, and our other one who was pregnant but didn't have any surviving pups
is also pretty "tame" cuz i did a big push to get them use to my hand before
they gave birth, but our other three *** females are really skittish
still.

Thanks for everyone's advise!

Davina

 
 
 

Baby update!! and deformity question...

Post by Lind » Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:29:50


Sorry to hear about your Pawless Wonder.  I'm sure that if it survives
it'll be nearly as agile as its siblings; they can really amaze you
sometimes.


handling of the babies after 1 week, provided the mother isn't too
upset with it.  Angela says that some can still kill the babies up to
2 weeks, but that it's a rare exception.  It's a great website and has
given me a wealth of info on how to deal with mice and their quirks.

Keep us posted on little PW and let us know how he's doing!

:o)

Linda

Quote:

> I got a slightly better look at our little criple again today.  We're still
> not entirely sure if it was born with the missing paws or if they might have
> been chewed off.  My husband thinks they look more like they were chewed,
> but it's really hard to tell at this point.  It really looks like she/he is
> missing the whole lower half of the front legs.  we're going to let her go
> and hope for the best.  We'll keep a close eye on her and see how she does.
> If it manages to get along well, we'll keep her/him and do our best to give
> it a good life, even if it winds up having to be tunnel free (not sure it'd
> be able to climb very well..) And hopefully the other mice won't pick on her
> too much.

> Anyone have any good suggestions for when it would be appropriate to start
> seriously handling the babies??  We have handled them a little bit now that
> they're over a week old and Momma didn't seem to mind too much, but we don't
> want to do anything to upset her too much, so have kept it to as minimal as
> we could.  We know we need to get them socialized as soon as possible
> though, to make things easier later. Momma doesn't run too much from the
> hand, and our other one who was pregnant but didn't have any surviving pups
> is also pretty "tame" cuz i did a big push to get them use to my hand before
> they gave birth, but our other three *** females are really skittish
> still.

> Thanks for everyone's advise!

> Davina