the little one killed the big one

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the little one killed the big one

Post by jcmagl » Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:08:24



Just got my kids a couple of hamsters, long hair I think and they were
ok for the last 2 weeks but today the big one was bleeding when I woke
up.  I stuck the little one in a shoebox but when I got home the big
one was dead.  They were both females and I was wondering if my kids
should just share 1 hamster since I don't want to get 2 separate
setups (10 gallon tank).  Maybe return the killer for a friendlier
hamster?  

A neighbor had brought over a dwarf hamster and put it in our cage and
it got along with our big hamster, but our little hamster eventually
bit it and drew ***.  Does anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the
same cage?

Joe

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Jane Landi » Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:05:34


Quote:
> Just got my kids a couple of hamsters, long hair I think and they were ok for the

last 2 weeks but today the big one was bleeding when I woke up.  I stuck the little
one in a shoebox but when I got home the big one was dead.  They were both females
and I was wondering if my kids should just share 1 hamster since I don't want to get
2 separate setups (10 gallon tank).  Maybe return the killer for a friendlier
hamster?

The surviving hamster isn't a "killer."  Syrian hamsters are solitary creatures and
must be housed alone -- not with another Syrian, another hamster of any species, or
with any other animal of any kind.

Quote:
> A neighbor had brought over a dwarf hamster and put it in our cage and it got along

with our big hamster, but our little hamster eventually bit it and drew ***.  Does
anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the same cage?

Yes, but they must be one of the dwarf hamster species, both the same species, and
from the same litter or introduced carefully at a very young age.  Even then, not all
pairs will be compatible for life, and a second cage may be needed at any time.

You and your family haven't done the research needed to raise hamsters as safe,
healthy, contented pets.  The best place to start is
http://www.moonsgarden.com/, with the menu at the upper left.

Jane

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Dr Jool » Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:25:58


I totally agree on that Jane, some people never bother reading up before
getting pets. It's not a commercial product that'll work once you take it
out of the box, you can't treat pets like that, they're for life and you
have to be responsible for what they do and how they live. You can't just
buy them to please kids for X'mas and forget about them after new year, they
are like your own kids, once you bring them home you have to look after them
give them the best possible love, attention etc. They're not goods. They are
cute living souls!!!

Do some research before you decide to bring some home, a G2.99 book is all
it takes!!! The big hamster's death is totally your fault and that poor soul
had a short and painful life all due to your lack of responsibility and
common sense. Don't even think about bringing it back to the pet shop and
ask for a refund or exchange, they're NOT(!!!) goods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They might be cheap to buy, they might be small, but they have a soul, they
have a life to live. Go buy a book NOW before the small hamster does
anything silly to hurt herself! Just in case you still won't bother looking
for a book, don't leave ANY wool/cotton/fabric materials in the cage,
hamsters will eat them which would block their intestines and eventually
wave you goodbye. Also don't leave fresh food in the cage for more than 4
hours. Give them pure still water, occasionally apples and veg, once again
do some research!!!

Excuse my agressiveness, I hate people who don't treat animals right. Jules

--
***24 hours in a day...24 beers in a case...coincidence?***


Quote:
> > Just got my kids a couple of hamsters, long hair I think and they were
ok for the
> last 2 weeks but today the big one was bleeding when I woke up.  I stuck
the little
> one in a shoebox but when I got home the big one was dead.  They were both
females
> and I was wondering if my kids should just share 1 hamster since I don't
want to get
> 2 separate setups (10 gallon tank).  Maybe return the killer for a
friendlier
> hamster?

> The surviving hamster isn't a "killer."  Syrian hamsters are solitary
creatures and
> must be housed alone -- not with another Syrian, another hamster of any
species, or
> with any other animal of any kind.

> > A neighbor had brought over a dwarf hamster and put it in our cage and
it got along
> with our big hamster, but our little hamster eventually bit it and drew
***.  Does
> anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the same cage?

> Yes, but they must be one of the dwarf hamster species, both the same
species, and
> from the same litter or introduced carefully at a very young age.  Even
then, not all
> pairs will be compatible for life, and a second cage may be needed at any
time.

> You and your family haven't done the research needed to raise hamsters as
safe,
> healthy, contented pets.  The best place to start is
> http://www.moonsgarden.com/, with the menu at the upper left.

> Jane

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Beth » Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:31:15


Sorry to hear of your loss! It must have been tough to see the *** and
gore....
We are new "parents" of a little black bear hamster, and have been learning
so much! My daughter wanted a little pet for the holidays, so as one of her
gifts we bought her a cage and a book about hamsters. After the hustle and
bustle of the holidays were over we ventured out in search for the "hammie
of her dreams". I would have loved and still would love to get another, but
knowing (from this newsgroup and books) that hamsters are solitary little
ones, we are settling with one for now... until I want to set up a whole
other home for another cutie.
My point being, one hamster is fine.... my daughter takes good care of it
and reads the newsgroup to learn all that she can about these little
critters. The only disappointment (if I can really call it that) is that
'Lizzie' is awake from 9pm until 8am-- the time that my daughter is usually
in bed. She is okay with that-- she wakes earlier to spend quality time with
her pet. Overall, the experience has been positive in all aspects.
I wish you luck in your hamster rearing... enjoy the one hamster that you
have and use this as a learning experience for you and your children.... :)

Beth

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Jane Landi » Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:41:35


Beth:

Quote:
> Overall, the experience has been positive in all aspects.

Because you've made it so, Beth, starting with good preparation.  Children shape
attitudes about pets that will last a lifetime, and it's wonderful to hear what
you're teaching her.

Jane

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Ailis » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:22:22



Does anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the

Quote:
> same cage?

> Joe

Don'ts:

Syrian + Syrian
Syrian + Dwarf
Syrian + Robo
Syrian + anything
Dwarf + robo
Dwarf + Winter White
Dwarf + anything but dwarf!

Do's:

Dwarf + Dwarf
Syrian
Robo + Robo
Winter White + WW
Chineese

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Derek Teo » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:48:41


I think you have been flamed enough.  If you are upset, please try to look beyond the harsh words to the truth behind them.  Syrians
are solitary.  They may get along fine with each other for a while, but one day, a sudden fight WILL break out with the losed having
nowhere to escape.  That will result in a death, as you now very well know.  Please absolutely do NOT listen to a petstore that says
stuff like "Oh, they will be fine" or "If you keep them together from very young, they will be ok"....  I have heard of people
keeping a dog and cat from when they were pups and kits together will no problems...  Hamsters are NOT like that.

Please search around on the web.  I will make it easy for you.  Go to www.altavista.com and key in +hamster +care and browse.  A pet
should NEVER be bought on a whim.  Preparations are ALWAYS mandatory.  And please do not simply return the "killer" as it is only
acting on animal instinct.  I can assure you that exchanging it will not be doing any good.

Also, please please please, NO open rung wire (or plastic) wheels.  Make sure that the wheel you have has a solid running surface
and back.  If you have a wire wheel, please get rid of it NOW.  Better to let a hamster go without a wheel than to leave that
monstrosity in there.  Go to www.rodentrefuge.co.uk and search for the wheels link.  That should tell you all you need to know about
the dangers of open rung wheels.

Derek

Quote:

> Just got my kids a couple of hamsters, long hair I think and they were
> ok for the last 2 weeks but today the big one was bleeding when I woke
> up.  I stuck the little one in a shoebox but when I got home the big
> one was dead.  They were both females and I was wondering if my kids
> should just share 1 hamster since I don't want to get 2 separate
> setups (10 gallon tank).  Maybe return the killer for a friendlier
> hamster?

> A neighbor had brought over a dwarf hamster and put it in our cage and
> it got along with our big hamster, but our little hamster eventually
> bit it and drew ***.  Does anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the
> same cage?

> Joe

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Robe » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:35:03


Quote:

> Just got my kids a couple of hamsters, long hair I think and they were
> ok for the last 2 weeks but today the big one was bleeding when I woke
> up.  I stuck the little one in a shoebox but when I got home the big
> one was dead.  They were both females and I was wondering if my kids
> should just share 1 hamster since I don't want to get 2 separate
> setups (10 gallon tank).  Maybe return the killer for a friendlier
> hamster?  

Who sold you these hamsters to you?!?! Anyone who told you that ***
Syrian hamsters can live together is a liar, or very cruel, or is
astonishingly ignorant of hamsters. In any of these cases, such a
person should not be selling or breeding hamsters.

Syrian hamsters are by their nature solitary animals. If they are
forced to live together, day after day, in a cage, they will
eventually begin fighting, and one will eventually die. That does not
mean that they are viscious; rather, it is just because in nature they
have room to retreat if they confront eahc other. Its hormonal and
instinctual. But in a small cage where can they go? They are always in
each other's faces.

Dwarf hamsters of the same species can live together in peace, if they
are raised together from youth.

In all likelihood, your surviving hamster is probably just as good and
gentle as any other. With care he will become a loving pet. Just don't
force him into a situation where he has to live with another hamster,
because that will cause anxiety, stress and fighting.

Quote:
> A neighbor had brought over a dwarf hamster and put it in our cage and
> it got along with our big hamster, but our little hamster eventually
> bit it and drew ***.  Does anyone have coomopatible hamsters in the
> same cage?

Syrian hamsters are simply not made for this. Don't do it. Have you
read any books on hamsters? They are living beings, and require
knowledge to care for properly.

Robert

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by jcmagl » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:05:19



Quote:
>Who sold you these hamsters to you?!?! Anyone who told you that ***
>Syrian hamsters can live together is a liar, or very cruel, or is
>astonishingly ignorant of hamsters. In any of these cases, such a
>person should not be selling or breeding hamsters.

I bought one at Petsmart and the ex bought the other from a local shop
and I'm not sure she told them it was going in a cage with another
hamster.  The person at Petsmart told me to get hamsters the same
size.  How come they have 50 of these hamsters in one cage at the pet
shop?

Joe

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Derek Teo » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:31:57


Because they are still young.  Think about it for a sec.  In nature, you can't expect them to get dumped all by themselves as soon
as they are born right?  So they CAN be kept together ONLY as a litter of lil wee hamms.  When they come of age, the mother usually
shoos them out of the nest so she can prepare for the next litter.  Then they will be on their own.  This is about 1 month?
(someone correct me, I cant remember the exact time you have to seperate the littermates)

50 in A cage?!?!?!?!  What the heck???  Even as a litter, thats waaay too much to stuff into a cage thats not at least a room wide!!
All the more reason NOT to buy from them and keep them in business!!!

I can guarantee that if they do not sell those hamsters and keep on keeping them in ONE cage, in the end they will end up with a
cageful of dead hamsters.  The final victor will be sooo ***ied he/she will probbly die him/herself.

Please, I understand the fact you are questioning us, but take it from me, there is a collective intelligence here much higher than
all the petstores in the world put together.  When we say they cannot be kept together, please believe us.  Please don't try to
prove us wrong.  People have tried, with the result of more dead hamsters.

Derek

Quote:


> >Who sold you these hamsters to you?!?! Anyone who told you that ***
> >Syrian hamsters can live together is a liar, or very cruel, or is
> >astonishingly ignorant of hamsters. In any of these cases, such a
> >person should not be selling or breeding hamsters.

> I bought one at Petsmart and the ex bought the other from a local shop
> and I'm not sure she told them it was going in a cage with another
> hamster.  The person at Petsmart told me to get hamsters the same
> size.  How come they have 50 of these hamsters in one cage at the pet
> shop?

> Joe

 
 
 

the little one killed the big one

Post by Jane Landi » Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:27:40


Joe:

Quote:
> How come they have 50 of these hamsters in one cage at the pet shop?

As Derek said, it's their youth.  By 6-8 weeks, they develop their territoriality.
I've also known more than a few pet-shop employees say that one of the first things
they have to do each morning is remove the dead hamsters and parts of hamsters from
these communal tanks.  It's considered an acceptable loss by these stores.

Anyone, please take the opportunity to print this article and give it to pet shops.

http://www.hamsterclub.org/solitarysyrian.pdf
or
http://www.hamsterclub.org/solitarysyrian2.htm

Thank you.

Jane