Moon's Graden

by **Jodylog** » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:27:19

The pet shop where I bought my Syrian, last December `02,
seems to keep males & females together, and until they're sold.
They refuse to listen to reason.
And it wasn't until now that it dawned on me that my hamster
who I guess is 8 months old, could have been in-bred.
Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?
What common Problems does in-breeding in Syrians cause?
Thank you so much.
Jody

by **Cecilia Olsso** » Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:25:00

You can't tell if a hamster has been in-bred unless you know who the parents
are and the parents of them etc. Generally hamsters have a high tolerance of
in-breeding, but illness might occur if the parents have genetic defects
that get "concentrated" in the offspring. I think the biggest problem with
inbreeding is cancer. Then there is spine problems, kidney failure and
birthdefects like loss off a leg etc. Unless you know the history of the
hamster as I said it is hard to say if it is a genetic problem or just bad
luck if your hamster for example gets cancer.
/ Cecilia
www.citadellets.com

Quote:

> The pet shop where I bought my Syrian, last December `02,
> seems to keep males & females together, and until they're sold.
> They refuse to listen to reason.
> And it wasn't until now that it dawned on me that my hamster
> who I guess is 8 months old, could have been in-bred.
> Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
> or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?
> What common Problems does in-breeding in Syrians cause?
> Thank you so much.
> Jody

by **MiHoSwEe** » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:54:24

Quote:

>Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
>or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?

I don't think there's any way to know for certain if he's been inbred unless
the owners of the pet shop can tell you.

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>What common Problems does in-breeding in Syrians cause?

Some hamsters may have problems arise, some may not... depending on what genes
they inherit. I would think that occurrences of cancer could run along genetic
lines. I know in dwarves, diabetes is usually due to genetics.

christine miho
http://community.webshots.com/user/miho176
http://community.webshots.com/user/hamsterhaven

by **Citize** » Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:16:41

Quote:

>>Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
>>or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?

>I don't think there's any way to know for certain if he's been inbred unless
>the owners of the pet shop can tell you.

Christine, I think it's more realistic to assume that petshop animals
(hamsters in this case) are the result of inbreeding, especially if
they were bread at the shop or come from a petowner, unless of course
you have good reason to believe that
a) the animals come from an ethical breeder (they are a minority!)
b) you can TRUST the petshopowner/petowner with whatever he/she wants
to make you believe. (hmmmmmmmm)

A breeder is not a garantee that they work ethically.
The breeder I got my animals from is definitely not an ethical
breeder, which I found out the hard way.

This is of course my personal view - and I'm a firm believer of this
;-)

by **Dave Za** » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:27:45

Quote:

> The pet shop where I bought my Syrian, last December `02,
> seems to keep males & females together, and until they're sold.
> They refuse to listen to reason.
> And it wasn't until now that it dawned on me that my hamster
> who I guess is 8 months old, could have been in-bred.
> Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
> or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?
> What common Problems does in-breeding in Syrians cause?
> Thank you so much.
> Jody

Ok, I know this much. Hamsters can be In-Bred without the problems
that humans have. Alot of hamsters are in-bred. I don't want to worry
you but I guessing you hamster is probably inbred but i highly doubt
if right now your hamster is healthy that it will become problemed or
something like that.

by **Larry Bo** » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 09:37:59

i read some where that all hamsters in captivity are the offspring of three
original animals, so there must be a certian amout of inbreeding.

Quote:

> The pet shop where I bought my Syrian, last December `02,
> seems to keep males & females together, and until they're sold.
> They refuse to listen to reason.
> And it wasn't until now that it dawned on me that my hamster
> who I guess is 8 months old, could have been in-bred.
> Would I know for sure, that he has NOT been in-bred by 8 months,
> or is there still a possibility that a problem can arise?
> What common Problems does in-breeding in Syrians cause?
> Thank you so much.
> Jody

by **MiHoSwEe** » Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:14:49

Quote:

>Christine, I think it's more realistic to assume that petshop animals
>(hamsters in this case) are the result of inbreeding, especially if
>they were bread at the shop or come from a petowner, unless of course
>you have good reason to believe that
>a) the animals come from an ethical breeder (they are a minority!)
>b) you can TRUST the petshopowner/petowner with whatever he/she wants
>to make you believe. (hmmmmmmmm)

True:) Given the description of the conditions that the hamsters are kept in,
the chances of them being in-bred seem pretty high.

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>A breeder is not a garantee that they work ethically.
>The breeder I got my animals from is definitely not an ethical
>breeder, which I found out the hard way.

Yes, unfortunately there are many of these:( It gives the good breeders a bad
name:P

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>This is of course my personal view - and I'm a firm believer of this
>;-)

Couldn't have agreed with you more:)

christine miho
http://community.webshots.com/user/miho176
http://community.webshots.com/user/hamsterhaven

by **Dave Za** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:35:30

ok yes, today i was at my pets store and on the little bio tag thing
it says...
all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3. they dont have problems
with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

by **Citize** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:10:40

Quote:

> ok yes, today i was at my pets store and on the little bio tag thing
> it says...
> all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3. they dont have problems
> with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

PLOIINKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Kory Postm** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:42:00

One of the main problems with inbreeding is mutant genes showing up in
the offspring. Usually mutant genes are bad for the hamster, just as
they are for us.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:10:40 +0200, "Citizen"

Quote:

>> ok yes, today i was at my pets store and on the little bio tag thing
>> it says...
>> all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3. they dont have problems
>> with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

>PLOIINKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **MiHoSwEe** » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:39:57

Quote:

>it says...
>all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3.

does this mean that all hamsters are bred from 3 original hamsters?

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>they dont have problems
>with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

they may have just gotten lucky that none of their Syrians have shown any
problems off the bat. However, it is hard to say if any of their hamsters have
developed problems because of this further down the line. Syrians do have many
genetic problems that can crop up, whether it is due to inbreeding or not. A
conscientious and ethical breeder will research carefully what they are doing
before just randomly breeding their stock.

christine miho
http://community.webshots.com/user/miho176
http://community.webshots.com/user/hamsterhaven

by **Dave Za** » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:08:10

Yes but still, syrians are all inbred. Unless what i red from 2
sources is a lie... Im not dismissing that posiblity.

Another question i have. The pet store i goto keeps a ton of black
bear hamstrs in one "medium" sized cage. Are they different? I know
the golden hamsters were together for a while but they got move apart
after a few weeks. I dont know how old they are.

Quote:

> One of the main problems with inbreeding is mutant genes showing up in
> the offspring. Usually mutant genes are bad for the hamster, just as
> they are for us.

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:10:40 +0200, "Citizen"

> >> ok yes, today i was at my pets store and on the little bio tag thing
> >> it says...
> >> all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3. they dont have problems
> >> with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

> >PLOIINKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **MiHoSwEe** » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:53:29

Quote:

>Yes but still, syrians are all inbred. Unless what i red from 2
>sources is a lie... Im not dismissing that posiblity.

Yes, I believe all the Syrians originally came from a few specimens that were
caught in the wild. So, there is inbreeding to a point. However, I believe
there have been many, many generations of hamsters since then. With selective
breeding, and because of the amount of time that has passed, if you get the
hamsters from different lines, I believe they are far enough from eachother in
the genetic line.

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>The pet store i goto keeps a ton of black
>bear hamstrs in one "medium" sized cage. Are they different?

They are NOT different. They are just black Syrians. They should be treated
as such and are supposed to be separated when they become 5-6 weeks old. They
are not a separate type of hamster. The color is just different.

christine miho
http://community.webshots.com/user/miho176
http://community.webshots.com/user/hamsterhaven

by **Kory Postm** » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:15:24

They are different because they have a recessive gene. Other than
that there is no difference.

Quote:

>Yes but still, syrians are all inbred. Unless what i red from 2
>sources is a lie... Im not dismissing that posiblity.

>Another question i have. The pet store i goto keeps a ton of black
>bear hamstrs in one "medium" sized cage. Are they different? I know
>the golden hamsters were together for a while but they got move apart
>after a few weeks. I dont know how old they are.

>> One of the main problems with inbreeding is mutant genes showing up in
>> the offspring. Usually mutant genes are bad for the hamster, just as
>> they are for us.

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:10:40 +0200, "Citizen"

>> >> ok yes, today i was at my pets store and on the little bio tag thing
>> >> it says...
>> >> all (house) syrian hamsters are inbred from 3. they dont have problems
>> >> with inbreeding so it isnt a problem.

>> >PLOIINKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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