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by **cinnamonc..** » Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:37:44

Subject: "the coffee cozy"

Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:39:01 -0800

I created a new club for my friends (and their friends, if they so =
desire). It is not for any particular pet or project. It was created =
as a place for all of us to relax with a cup of coffee and talk about =
anything at all. We all have families, friends, jobs and hobbies this =
is a place to share that and relax. Do not join just to avoid offending
=
me. I won't be offended no matter what you do.
Thank you Judith Moon

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by **cinnamonc..** » Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:40:14

Subject: "Fw: the coffee cozy"

Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:42:25 -0800

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BlankDuh! Forgot to include the URL of the club. Guess I am relaxed =
or the brain left for Christmas.

http://www.egroups.com/group/coffeecozy

I created a new club for my friends (and their friends, if they so =
desire). It is not for any particular pet or project. It was created =
as a place for all of us to relax with a cup of coffee and talk about =
anything at all. We all have families, friends, jobs and hobbies this =
is a place to share that and relax. Do not join just to avoid offending
=
me. I won't be offended no matter what you do.
Thank you Judith Moon

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by **K. Smit** » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:51:36

Quote:

> > Now Carolyn who is being rude and breaking netettiquete. You know the
> > posting of personal emails to a newsgroup is the worst sort of rude
> > behavior!!

> Gee Judith, I don't think that rule ever came to me. Thank you
> for stating it here though.

Besides a breech of netiquette, I believe that publishing private email is
also considered a violation of copyright under some statutes. If reported,
the offending party can possibly lose their Internet account as well as have
monetary damages sought from them.

Free Speech is for all, right up to the point that it infringes on another's
reputation, threatens them or hurts their business. At that point, it may
be construed as harassment or libel. Most providers have a team of lawyers
at their disposal and can handle any questionable material.

Think twice, write once.

Kelly

by **Judith Moon, Moonsong Caviar** » Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:18:34

I think maybe John, Carolyn, Tracie and Jens are just too intent on flaming
me, than to even attempt to help the cavies. The worst part is they have
absolutely no grounds for saying one word about how my cavies are cared for.

As soon as I have moved and have my caviary going, I shall be holding an
open house. The members of the local club will all be there.

That should about put an end to that crap. Those who have seen my present
set up also know my cavies get excellent care.

Can the snake bull too. First of all I don't know of even one person that
feeds their snakes cavies.

Secondly, I did not buy, the finest imported ***stock, to feed snakes.
That is what rats are for.

I seriously doubt you ever show anything. Quality is something you would
not know about .

Quote:

> > > Now Carolyn who is being rude and breaking netettiquete. You know the
> > > posting of personal emails to a newsgroup is the worst sort of rude
> > > behavior!!

> > Gee Judith, I don't think that rule ever came to me. Thank you
> > for stating it here though.

> Besides a breech of netiquette, I believe that publishing private email is
> also considered a violation of copyright under some statutes. If
reported,
> the offending party can possibly lose their Internet account as well as
have
> monetary damages sought from them.

> Free Speech is for all, right up to the point that it infringes on
another's
> reputation, threatens them or hurts their business. At that point, it may
> be construed as harassment or libel. Most providers have a team of
lawyers
> at their disposal and can handle any questionable material.

> Think twice, write once.

> Kelly

by **cinnamonc..** » Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:43:16

Kelly Unawares,
Judith promotes the idea that she doesn't mean to send private email.
This can be proved by John Marshall as well. I don't need permission
or a law to post the two-sidedness of Judith on this ng. How do you
KNOW that that what I posted was really from Judith? Do you believe
everything that you read?? Perhaps I created and made up all of that.
Perhaps not.
I don't do anything TO Judith by posting HER own words. She does
what she does out here and in email to herself. If she feels harassed,
then she can report me, I don't really care because I know I haven't
done anything illegal. Libel? You're out of your area of knowledge
now. Trust me, if Judith needs money from this, I'd be glad to send
her all the pennies that I have saved from my big, big disability
checks to help get the cavies off of her property and into caring
and responsible homes.
Maybe you need to think thrice and not post at all,

Carolyn

Quote:

> > > Now Carolyn who is being rude and breaking netettiquete. You know
the
> > > posting of personal emails to a newsgroup is the worst sort of
rude
> > > behavior!!

> > Gee Judith, I don't think that rule ever came to me. Thank
you
> > for stating it here though.

> Besides a breech of netiquette, I believe that publishing private
email is
> also considered a violation of copyright under some statutes. If
reported,
> the offending party can possibly lose their Internet account as well
as have
> monetary damages sought from them.

> Free Speech is for all, right up to the point that it infringes on
another's
> reputation, threatens them or hurts their business. At that point, it
may
> be construed as harassment or libel. Most providers have a team of
lawyers
> at their disposal and can handle any questionable material.

> Think twice, write once.

> Kelly

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by **cinnamonc..** » Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:37:30

Quote:

> I think maybe John, Carolyn, Tracie and Jens are just too intent on
flaming
> me, than to even attempt to help the cavies.

No, I'm intent on seeing that you stop lying and asking for
information and then using it to help you with providing feeder animals
to others. I'm intent on seeing that you do have a place that is open
to all.

Quote:

> The worst part is they
have
> absolutely no grounds for saying one word about how my cavies are

cared for.

I don't pretend to know how you take care of your cavies. What
I DO know is that you know so little and here you are breeding
feeders, breeding various types to types. I'd like to know that you
are taking the best care possible of all of your animals and not
feeding them to another species.

Quote:

> As soon as I have moved and have my caviary going, I shall be holding
an
> open house. The members of the local club will all be there.

I would love to attend your open house. I'm sure that my
John could come as well. I'd be worth the drive to see your setup!

Local club of what Judith? How would we know the members of your
local club anyway to know what you are doing?

Quote:

> That should about put an end to that crap. Those who have seen my
present
> set up also know my cavies get excellent care.

Why don't those people speak up for you? Why is it that you attract
so much negative attention?

Quote:

> Can the snake bull too. First of all I don't know of even one person
that
> feeds their snakes cavies.

Right Judith. You may not KNOW them in person, but you do post
to the herps ng and can know there that people indeed DO feed cavies
to snakes. Use your deja to backtrack the notes and find the discussion
that I started there about wanting to know if it was true that some
snake owners feed cavies to their snakes.

Quote:

> Secondly, I did not buy, the finest imported ***stock, to feed
snakes.
> That is what rats are for.

What is the finest imported ***stock? Are you talking about
rats or cavies? What's the difference what kind of any rats, mice
or cavies that you have bought or bred to feed to snakes?

Quote:

> I seriously doubt you ever show anything. Quality is something you
would
> not know about .

No, Judith.... I don't "show," cavies to anyone accept people
who wish to visit them here, adopt them, foster them, help me out with
the rescues, open inspections, visitations, etc.... I've heard far
too many horror stories about showing them and the bugs and illnesses
that come home with, and the stress that showing can cause to them.
How wonderful it was to find out that some people in the ARBA groups
even make rabbit stew and raise their own rabbits just to eat them.
That's a horrible thought to know that these stews are sometimes present
at different rabbit shows.

Every guinea pig in the world is QUALITY. They don't need to be
perfect to be quality. Nor fit any "class," or "standard," to be
quality. The quality exists in each of them for their very own life
that they live.

Want to talk about the culling that is done and how some members
of the ACBA have been proud enough to write an article about it? I
posted the article in full on my site 2 years ago and was politely
asked to remove it from my site and I did. Enough people in my
mailing lists saw it and read the horror.

http://www.moonsgarden.com/

cc

Quote:

> I think maybe John, Carolyn, Tracie and Jens are just too intent on
flaming
> me, than to even attempt to help the cavies. The worst part is they
have
> absolutely no grounds for saying one word about how my cavies are
cared for.

> As soon as I have moved and have my caviary going, I shall be holding
an
> open house. The members of the local club will all be there.

> That should about put an end to that crap. Those who have seen my
present
> set up also know my cavies get excellent care.

> Can the snake bull too. First of all I don't know of even one person
that
> feeds their snakes cavies.

> Secondly, I did not buy, the finest imported ***stock, to feed
snakes.
> That is what rats are for.

> I seriously doubt you ever show anything. Quality is something you
would
> not know about .

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by **Judith Moon, Moonsong Caviar** » Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:07:00

Carolyn, carolyn, carolyn, Please....where do you get the idea I would sell
top quality imported cavies as feeders? Such a foolish idea. I have no
idea who started this among you three, but you had better check with a few
herp people. I did, just to see if anyone was feeding cavies. No one in
the local club will consider it as the cavies are not considered good food
for herps. A few people admitted feeding dead cavies and rabbits, but that
is all I could find out.

My cavies go to the show ring or are sold as pets with a contract to not
breed them. People who agree to not breed get a very nice pedigreed cavy at
a very decent price reduction.

At least I am trying to reduce the animals that go into shelters. Are you?

Judith M.

Quote:

> > I think maybe John, Carolyn, Tracie and Jens are just too intent on
> flaming
> > me, than to even attempt to help the cavies.

> No, I'm intent on seeing that you stop lying and asking for
> information and then using it to help you with providing feeder animals
> to others. I'm intent on seeing that you do have a place that is open
> to all.

> > The worst part is they
> have
> > absolutely no grounds for saying one word about how my cavies are
> cared for.

> I don't pretend to know how you take care of your cavies. What
> I DO know is that you know so little and here you are breeding
> feeders, breeding various types to types. I'd like to know that you
> are taking the best care possible of all of your animals and not
> feeding them to another species.

> > As soon as I have moved and have my caviary going, I shall be holding
> an
> > open house. The members of the local club will all be there.

> I would love to attend your open house. I'm sure that my
> John could come as well. I'd be worth the drive to see your setup!

> Local club of what Judith? How would we know the members of your
> local club anyway to know what you are doing?

> > That should about put an end to that crap. Those who have seen my
> present
> > set up also know my cavies get excellent care.

> Why don't those people speak up for you? Why is it that you attract
> so much negative attention?

> > Can the snake bull too. First of all I don't know of even one person
> that
> > feeds their snakes cavies.

> Right Judith. You may not KNOW them in person, but you do post
> to the herps ng and can know there that people indeed DO feed cavies
> to snakes. Use your deja to backtrack the notes and find the discussion
> that I started there about wanting to know if it was true that some
> snake owners feed cavies to their snakes.

> > Secondly, I did not buy, the finest imported ***stock, to feed
> snakes.
> > That is what rats are for.

> What is the finest imported ***stock? Are you talking about
> rats or cavies? What's the difference what kind of any rats, mice
> or cavies that you have bought or bred to feed to snakes?

> > I seriously doubt you ever show anything. Quality is something you
> would
> > not know about .

> No, Judith.... I don't "show," cavies to anyone accept people
> who wish to visit them here, adopt them, foster them, help me out with
> the rescues, open inspections, visitations, etc.... I've heard far
> too many horror stories about showing them and the bugs and illnesses
> that come home with, and the stress that showing can cause to them.
> How wonderful it was to find out that some people in the ARBA groups
> even make rabbit stew and raise their own rabbits just to eat them.
> That's a horrible thought to know that these stews are sometimes present
> at different rabbit shows.

> Every guinea pig in the world is QUALITY. They don't need to be
> perfect to be quality. Nor fit any "class," or "standard," to be
> quality. The quality exists in each of them for their very own life
> that they live.

> Want to talk about the culling that is done and how some members
> of the ACBA have been proud enough to write an article about it? I
> posted the article in full on my site 2 years ago and was politely
> asked to remove it from my site and I did. Enough people in my
> mailing lists saw it and read the horror.

> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

> cc

> > I think maybe John, Carolyn, Tracie and Jens are just too intent on
> flaming
> > me, than to even attempt to help the cavies. The worst part is they
> have
> > absolutely no grounds for saying one word about how my cavies are
> cared for.

> > As soon as I have moved and have my caviary going, I shall be holding
> an
> > open house. The members of the local club will all be there.

> > That should about put an end to that crap. Those who have seen my
> present
> > set up also know my cavies get excellent care.

> > Can the snake bull too. First of all I don't know of even one person
> that
> > feeds their snakes cavies.

> > Secondly, I did not buy, the finest imported ***stock, to feed
> snakes.
> > That is what rats are for.

> > I seriously doubt you ever show anything. Quality is something you
> would
> > not know about .

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