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Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

Post by John Racet » Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:52:31




Possibly Enoplognatha tecta. But I can't say for sure. Very nice picture, by
the way.

John Racette

 
 
 

Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

Post by Birt Gittincli » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:50:19


Thanks, here are a couple more pictures. Also this is from Minnesota.


Quote:

>Possibly Enoplognatha tecta. But I can't say for sure. Very nice picture, by
>the way.

>John Racette

 
 
 

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Post by Martin Overto » Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:24:41


Hi,



This looks like a Angular Orb-weaver (Araneus angulatus), it certainly
isn't an Argiope as someone else suggested.

Hope this helps?

Regards,
Martin Overton
BTS & ATS Member
Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Skelche » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 05:09:53


Martin Overton  wrote

Quote:
> This looks like a Angular Orb-weaver (Araneus angulatus), it certainly
> isn't an Argiope as someone else suggested.

The picture's been removed now, but Clay got it right.
It was the ventral side of Argiope aurantia, a mature female.
The common Black and Yellow argiope that appears on the ng for id, every 10
minutes at this time of year.
 
 
 

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Post by Birt Gittincli » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 06:08:18


Are you sure, when I looked up Araneus angulatus it said it is only in
the UK. This spider is in Minnesota.

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Martin Overton

Quote:

>Hi,



>This looks like a Angular Orb-weaver (Araneus angulatus), it certainly
>isn't an Argiope as someone else suggested.

>Hope this helps?

>Regards,
>Martin Overton
>BTS & ATS Member
>Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Martin Overto » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:30:17


Hi,



Quote:
>Are you sure, when I looked up Araneus angulatus it said it is only in
>the UK. This spider is in Minnesota.

No this spider is also found throughout Europe, most of Asia and
beyond. So there is a distinct chance that it has now got to the US.

I'm almost 100% certain that it isn't an Argiope, and certainly not an
Argiope aurantia....See my site for some pictures of a number of
Argiope species.

It is the wrong shape (I looked at all 3 pictures) for an Argiope, far
too rounded for a A. aurantia.

Hope this helps?

Regards,
Martin Overton
BTS & ATS Member
Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

Post by Martin Overto » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:37:00


Hi,



Quote:

>Martin Overton  wrote
>> This looks like a Angular Orb-weaver (Araneus angulatus), it certainly
>> isn't an Argiope as someone else suggested.

>The picture's been removed now, but Clay got it right.
>It was the ventral side of Argiope aurantia, a mature female.
>The common Black and Yellow argiope that appears on the ng for id, every 10
>minutes at this time of year.

I'm almost 100% certain that it isn't an Argiope, and certainly not an
Argiope aurantia....See my site for some pictures of a number of
Argiope species.

It is the wrong shape (I looked at all 3 pictures) for an Argiope, far
too rounded for a A. aurantia. No sign of yellow or the bullet shaped
abdomen in the pictures I saw!

I certainly know a Argiope aurantia, mature or immature, as I have
loads of pictures sent to me each year asking for identification of
loads of them, as well as many other species.

Have a look at the Collins Gem Spiders Photoguide, page 113, and then
tell me that the pictures posted were an A. aurantia (which appears on
page 121).

Anyways, have a look at the pics on my site (url below, in the others
spiders gallery) and compare it with what was posted......

Regards,
Martin Overton
BTS & ATS Member
Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

Post by Martin Overto » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:44:04


Hi,



Quote:
>Are you sure, when I looked up Araneus angulatus it said it is only in
>the UK. This spider is in Minnesota.

As there was no indication of size, the other more likely possibility
is The Missing Sector Orb Weaver (Zygiella x-notata). This species is
known to be in the US, and has a very distinctive web with a section
missing (like a slice out of a pie) from it's otherwise normal orb
web.

They are not as large as an Argiope, around 9mm for a female, and 6mm
for a male. They are also one of the few spiders that are active all
year round (including the winter).

Regards,
Martin Overton
BTS & ATS Member
Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

Post by Paul Skelche » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:41:10


Martin Overton wrote..

Quote:
> It is the wrong shape (I looked at all 3 pictures) for an Argiope, far
> too rounded for a A. aurantia. No sign of yellow or the bullet shaped
> abdomen in the pictures I saw!

Hi Martin, Too bad those photos are not available any longer.  I only had a
quick look 'cause I was ticked about the file size. These spiders a two a
penny in the USA at this time of year and widespread. What bullet shape?,
not the way I would describe these gravid females.  And the yellow/black
pattern is on the dorsal abdomen.
Check out, for a ventral photo
 http://mamba.bio.uci.edu/~pjbryant/biodiv/spiders/Argiope%20aurantia.htm
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Skelche » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:58:12


Quote:
Clay  wrote...
> Not available any longer? Is the "Please ID this Spider" by MidlifeCrisis
gone
> from your newsgroup server? It's still onmine and the pictures are still
there
> with it.

Yep. Message no longer available. As is the 312kb message from Birt.
 
 
 

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Post by Martin Overto » Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:00:25


Hi  Clay,



Quote:
>You've got your posts mixed up. I responded to the thread labeled "Please ID this
>Spider" started by MidLifeCrisis and I'm 100% certain the pic he posted is argiope
>aurantia.

I'm getting very confused....are we talking about different pictures?

This is the thread I originally responded to started by Birt
Gittinclit (which is the only thread I have responded to):


Newsgroups: alt.pets.arachnids
Subject: Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

And this is the thread that I've responed to, not the one from
MidLifeCrisis.

Birt also posted 2 other pics in another posting. All of those pics
are still available on my news server, there are both dorsal and
ventral pics of the spider, and it is not an Argiope.

Maybe Birt will allow me to repost his pictures on my website,
alongside other pictures of Z. x-notata and A. aurantia then all can
clearly see that it is not an Argiope (the pics posted by Birt)

I never saw a posting with an attachment from MidLideCrisis, so I
can't say what the picture was of.

Hope we can get to the bottom of this mystery? ;-)

Regards,
Martin Overton
BTS & ATS Member
Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Birt Gittincli » Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:31:49


Here are the photos again. Yes some how my post was confused by
someone else's.

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:00:25 +0000 (UTC), Martin Overton

Quote:

>Hi  Clay,



>>You've got your posts mixed up. I responded to the thread labeled "Please ID this
>>Spider" started by MidLifeCrisis and I'm 100% certain the pic he posted is argiope
>>aurantia.

>I'm getting very confused....are we talking about different pictures?

>This is the thread I originally responded to started by Birt
>Gittinclit (which is the only thread I have responded to):


>Newsgroups: alt.pets.arachnids
>Subject: Can you id this spider? Maybe a barn spider? - spider1.jpg

>And this is the thread that I've responed to, not the one from
>MidLifeCrisis.

>Birt also posted 2 other pics in another posting. All of those pics
>are still available on my news server, there are both dorsal and
>ventral pics of the spider, and it is not an Argiope.

>Maybe Birt will allow me to repost his pictures on my website,
>alongside other pictures of Z. x-notata and A. aurantia then all can
>clearly see that it is not an Argiope (the pics posted by Birt)

>I never saw a posting with an attachment from MidLideCrisis, so I
>can't say what the picture was of.

>Hope we can get to the bottom of this mystery? ;-)

>Regards,
>Martin Overton
>BTS & ATS Member
>Arachnophiliac/The Tarantula's Burrow - http://arachnophiliac.com/burrow/home.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Skelche » Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:33:43


Birt Gittinclit  wrote..

Quote:
> Here are the photos again. Yes some how my post was confused by
> someone else's.

Thanks Birt, that certainly cleared up the confusion.  Your original post
never showed up on my browser. Nice photos.
Following what Martin said, the closest match seems to be A angulatus,
according to "The Spiders of GB and Ireland"