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Is there something I'm missing?

Post by Valerie Teff » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00



I am trying to teach my parakeet to talk by leaving a tape that is about a
half hour long, on while I am gone.  It repeats the same phrase over and
over.  He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??  

Thank you,  --David

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Franci » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


David,
    I'd recommend throwing the tape away.  It's probably driving your bird nuts
hearing the same phrases over and over.  Even if your bird does learn to repeat
the phrases, they won't have any meaning because they won't be used in the
proper context.  I recommend you talk with your bird.  You can work on one word
or phrase, but try using it in it's properly.  For example Good morning, first
thing in the morning, Good bye when you're leaving, I think you get it.  Just
keep at it, at don't expect miracles.

Paul

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> I am trying to teach my parakeet to talk by leaving a tape that is about a
> half hour long, on while I am gone.  It repeats the same phrase over and
> over.  He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
> week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??

> Thank you,  --David

 
 
 

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Post by John F. Kenne » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


1) Once a week is hardly enough.
2) Your budgie is more likely to talk if you talk to it. Budgies are good
at imitating sounds. If the bird bonds to you and you repeat the same word
or phrase over and over, several times a day, he may eventually talk. Not
all birds talk.
3) A tape may be a good supplement to training, but unless it has a reason
to pay attention, it may just block the sound out. A tape of your voice,
supplemented by personal one on one time teaching the bird is more likely
to produce results.
4) It takes time. I've had my budgie for 1 and a half months and not a word
yet, but I still patiently talk to him every day. Usually with him perched
on my finger, shoulder or head. Sometimes he makes gravelly sounds that
almost sound like talking, so I hope some day he will. I will keep trying,
but if he never talks, he'll be my li'l buddy just the same.
-JFK

Quote:

> I am trying to teach my parakeet to talk by leaving a tape that is about a
> half hour long, on while I am gone.  It repeats the same phrase over and
> over.  He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
> week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??  

> Thank you,  --David

 
 
 

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Post by Gloria Hei » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


There are no guarantees that any bird will *ever* talk.  I personally
wouldn't use the tapes.  Not only do I think it would drive the bird out
of its mind (pretend you're the bird listening to the blasted thing ALL
day long).  I think it's kind of cruel.  (I'm not saying you're cruel to
your bird, let's get that out in the open right now.)

Now, I've never listened to the tapes but I understand that a bird will
most likely pick up a word when the word is said with emotion.  Like
"SHUT UP" or "Hi!!"

Also, the bird must be completely comfortable and trusting in its
environment.  No scared bird will talk.

Gloria

Quote:

> I am trying to teach my parakeet to talk by leaving a tape that is
> about a
> half hour long, on while I am gone.  It repeats the same phrase over
> and
> over.  He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least
> once a
> week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??

> Thank you,  --David

 
 
 

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Post by WH LAMBD » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00



writes:

Quote:
>    I'd recommend throwing the tape away.  It's probably driving your bird
>nuts hearing the same phrases over and over.  Even if your bird does learn to
>repeat the phrases, they won't have any meaning because they won't be used in
>the proper context.  I recommend you talk with your bird.  You can work on one
>word or phrase, but try using it in it's properly.  For example Good morning,
>first thing in the morning, Good bye when you're leaving, I think you get it.

Just

I disagree with you on three issues.

1.Playing a tape is a good way to get the bird to speak.

2. playing a tape limits the number of inflections to the word of thrase, and
easier for the bird to imitate.

3. When teaching a bird to talk, start with only one word or phrase. After the
bird says the one word or phrase then it is perfectly acceptable to add more
words to his vocabulary, but the first one is most difficult

WHL (Bill)
With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

"There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
9-97)

 
 
 

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Post by WH LAMBD » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00



writes:

Quote:
>    I'd recommend throwing the tape away.  It's probably driving your bird
>nuts hearing the same phrases over and over.  Even if your bird does learn to
>repeat the phrases, they won't have any meaning because they won't be used in
>the proper context.  I recommend you talk with your bird.  You can work on one
>word or phrase, but try using it in it's properly.  For example Good morning,
>first thing in the morning, Good bye when you're leaving, I think you get it.

Just

I disagree with you on three issues.

1.Playing a tape is a good way to get the bird to speak.

2. playing a tape limits the number of inflections to the word of thrase, and
easier for the bird to imitate.

3. When teaching a bird to talk, start with only one word or phrase. After the
bird says the one word or phrase then it is perfectly acceptable to add more
words to his vocabulary, but the first one is most difficult

WHL (Bill)
With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

"There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
9-97)

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Franci » Sat, 29 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Cherane,
    Some of the best advice I've seen here in a while.  Parrots respond to drama
and emotion.  And singing is definitely the best way to get the quiet ones
talking.  Thanks Cherane.

Paul

Quote:

> >He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
> >week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??

> >Thank you,  --David

> I have found that my feather kids love the sound of a very dramatic voice from
> me. In other words, you start to sing or put emotion, passion into your voice
> and you' ll be surprised how your little one will respond to you.  It does take
> a good while but in about one month or two he'll finally mimic you with the
> sounds of passion.  If you can sing that is the best way to teach your kid for
> most people are not able to put "out" that sound of passion...believe me, I
> can..smile

> Good fun,
> Cherane

>  "Quality
>            is never an accident;
> it is always the result of
> high intention, sincere effort,
> intelligent direction and skillful
> execution;
> it represents the wise choice
> of many alternatives"

 
 
 

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Post by Chera » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
>week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??  

>Thank you,  --David

I have found that my feather kids love the sound of a very dramatic voice from
me. In other words, you start to sing or put emotion, passion into your voice
and you' ll be surprised how your little one will respond to you.  It does take
a good while but in about one month or two he'll finally mimic you with the
sounds of passion.  If you can sing that is the best way to teach your kid for
most people are not able to put "out" that sound of passion...believe me, I
can..smile

Good fun,
Cherane  

 "Quality
           is never an accident;
it is always the result of
high intention, sincere effort,
intelligent direction and skillful
execution;
it represents the wise choice
of many alternatives"      

 
 
 

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Post by Chera » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>  Parrots respond to drama
>and emotion.  And singing is definitely the best way to get the quiet ones
>talking.

If you ever want to hear a old (31 years) sweet adorable Hyacinthine sing, call
me after 7pm...  he never said a word when he came here, now I cannot shut him
up...smile
He's been here five years now soon to be six this next March..

Cherane  

 "Quality
           is never an accident;
it is always the result of
high intention, sincere effort,
intelligent direction and skillful
execution;
it represents the wise choice
of many alternatives"      

 
 
 

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Post by WH LAMBD » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>t's a good way to drive a bird insane, maybe turn it into a feather plucker.
>This is some of your all-time worst advice.

Jack:

I will take that as a compliment, because I can't hold a candle to you when it
comes to offering bad advice.

Do you remember when you once suggested that someone get rid of their finches
because they through lack of knowledge seperated the baby finch from the
parents before it was feeding itself properly?

I hope someone will shoot me before I reach your level.

I appreciate MY conscience, and believe yours died from boredom or your
superiority complex.

WHL (Bill)
With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

"There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
9-97)

 
 
 

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Post by Darryl Bake » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Take the personal ***s off line. Use email to insult each other
or in groups.

Just remember opinions are like rectums. Everyone has one and some smell
better than others.

Quote:


> >Thank you for your psychobabble input.  Now that you have your little flames
> >out of the way, are you gonna address the issue and refute my contention that
> >tape-training can be a bad thing for a bird?

> Why bother: I say it works (based on experience) you say it is bad. Here we
> simply agree to disagree.

> WHL (Bill)
> With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

> "There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
> 9-97)

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Post by Gloria Hei » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Well that's okay.  I was referring to those inconsiderate folks who
leave the damn thing on all day long.  That's awful!

Ever hear of how an animal will get bored, stay bored and then go
insane?  Did you see "Look Who's Talking?"  Intelligent animals will go
insane from boredom.  I happen to think that on top of being bored,
these tapes will drive intelligent animals such as a Parrot over the
edge alot faster.

Gloria

Gloria

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> writes:

> >There are no guarantees that any bird will *ever* talk.  I personally

> >wouldn't use the tapes.  Not only do I think it would drive the bird
> out
> >of its mind (pretend you're the bird listening to the blasted thing
> ALL
> >day long).  I think it's kind of cruel.  (I'm not saying you're cruel

> I used a tape to teach Charlie to talk.

> I found it works best to play the take around sundown when the budgie
> is starts
> getting sleepy.

> WHL (Bill)
> With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

> "There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is
> yours." (WHL
> 9-97)

 
 
 

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Post by Kathy & Dennis Johnso » Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:00:00


Well, I'm not trying to teach our birds to talk.  But to entertain them
I usually put on the PBS channel on TV while I am gone.  Maybe someday
they will fill me in on the shows I miss. :-)
Kat Johnson

Quote:

> I am trying to teach my parakeet to talk by leaving a tape that is about a
> half hour long, on while I am gone.  It repeats the same phrase over and
> over.  He hasn't cracked a word yet.  I usually let it play at least once a
> week, maybe that's not often enough?  Any suggestions??

> Thank you,  --David

 
 
 

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Post by dk » Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

>writes:

>>    I'd recommend throwing the tape away.  It's probably driving your bird
>>nuts hearing the same phrases over and over.  Even if your bird does learn to
>>repeat the phrases, they won't have any meaning because they won't be used in
>>the proper context.  I recommend you talk with your bird.  You can work on one
>>word or phrase, but try using it in it's properly.  For example Good morning,
>>first thing in the morning, Good bye when you're leaving, I think you get it.
>Just

>I disagree with you on three issues.

>1.Playing a tape is a good way to get the bird to speak.

Parrots learn to talk like human babies hearing people saying them.
Dr. Pepperberg in working with Alex said she found playing tapes to be
useless. Alex picked words spoken by her and her co-workers.

Quote:
>>2. playing a tape limits the number of inflections to the word of thrase, and
>easier for the bird to imitate.

What's the problem with inflections. I think it is more entertaining
when my CAG says BE QUIET or I'll put you in your cage then be quiet
or I'll put you in your cage.
Quote:
>3. When teaching a bird to talk, start with only one word or phrase. After the
>bird says the one word or phrase then it is perfectly acceptable to add more
>words to his vocabulary, but the first one is most difficult

>WHL (Bill)
>With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

>"There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
>9-97)

 
 
 

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Post by WH LAMBD » Mon, 01 Dec 1997 04:00:00



writes:

Quote:
>What's the problem with inflections. I think it is more entertaining when my
>CAG says BE QUIET or I'll put you in your cage then be quietor I'll put you
>in your cage.

using different inflections in speech to the bird, is more difficult for the
bird to mimic,

WHL (Bill)
With Buddy (PF lovebird), and Scampy (Lutino***atiel)

"There are only two opinions that matter to me. Neither of them is yours." (WHL
9-97)