Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

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Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by allynn wilkins » Wed, 15 Nov 1995 04:00:00



I need some ideas here...
Basil (wild caught TAG) has become totally uninterested in his fruits and
veggies in the past few days.  He's as active as ever and he's "totally
into" seed, crackers, pretzels, bread sticks, etc. but he ignores the
fruit and veg (even corn!).  He'll eat pomagranate seeds but *only* if I
feed them to him one by one!  Hey, I got a life!  Not much of one, I'll
admit, but 20 minutes of "pomegranate-pick-up" is about all I can take!  
It's been grey and cloudy here in NW Ohio and I thought that might be a
contributing factor but it's lovely and sunny today and he *still* isn't
eating the "good stuff".  Do you think it's "just a phase"?  Or a plea
for attention?  I offer him a variety of fruit and veg everyday (at least
three choices) which include corn (the *big* favorite.... usually),
apple, grapes, cranberries, brocolli, water chestnuts, etc..etc.. so i
can't imagine he's 'bored' by the selection.  It seems like he has a
craving for carbohydrates (bread, pasta etc.).

Any thoughts?
Allynn

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by Jeff Ferr » Wed, 15 Nov 1995 04:00:00


TAKE HIM TO THE VET......

Sorry Allynn, I couldn't resist.  Please, it was a joke....;)

Anyway, yeah, my tiel, budgies and quaker all do that too.  My budgies eat carrots
like Heckle and Jeckle (the cartoon crows) eat corn.  But some days, the only thing
they do to it is use it as a new perch.  The only "GUARANTEED" foods for my tiel
are popcorn and Frosted Flakes, after that, EVERYTHING is day to day.  Even the quaker
is picky, and he'll eat anything.  I think their level of interest is inversely proportional
to my desire to see them eat it.

Don't you hate how they do that?

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by allynn wilkins » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
>TAKE HIM TO THE VET......

>Sorry Allynn, I couldn't resist.  Please, it was a joke....;)

Oh 'ha'... very funny  :)

I actually called my vet (in anticipation of this advice!) and he said
something to the general affect of : "So what.... most birds live on nothing
but seed for years!  You're spoiling the little monster"  (that's a
paraphrase by the way!).  And I *knew* he was going to say it.  He's a
rather "Down home country Doctor" type - the Leonard McCoy of the animal set.

I'm not really worried about Basil's health... just curious as to why he
chose now to refuse all those ever so expensive things I've been buying
for him.  It's *got* to be a plea for attention (I've been "hitting the
books" lately....hey!  It's my PhD exam on the line here!).  Now all I
have to do is explain that to him!

Quote:

>Anyway, yeah, my tiel, budgies and quaker all do that too.  My budgies eat carrots
>like Heckle and Jeckle (the cartoon crows) eat corn.  But some days, the only thing
>they do to it is use it as a new perch.  The only "GUARANTEED" foods for my tiel
>are popcorn and Frosted Flakes, after that, EVERYTHING is day to day.  Even the quaker
>is picky, and he'll eat anything.  I think their level of interest is inversely proportional
>to my desire to see them eat it.

>Don't you hate how they do that?

Oh yeah I sure do!  Basil and I played "52 pick-up" with 15 bean soup
this afternoon!  He's fine for a while and then he jsut bites me for no
reason!  Little devil!

Allynn

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by Cathy Quinon » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
wilkinson) writes:

:>I'm not really worried about Basil's health... just curious as to why he
:>chose now to refuse all those ever so expensive things I've been buying
:>for him.  It's *got* to be a plea for attention (I've been "hitting the
:>books" lately....hey!  It's my PhD exam on the line here!).  Now all I
:>have to do is explain that to him!

My senegal is being a bit extra-picky lately but I know the cause: we've been
having a # of cold fronts pass by, and the apartment is getting cooler.  The
bird cages each have a heating pad on top of it, so all the birds have a cozy
corner "upstairs" [no, they can't get to the heating pads and chew them up,
btw!] where they retreat to sleep at night and to nap in the daytime.  BUT,
since the food bowls are at the very bottom of the cage, the food cools
down quickly and then stays pretty darned chilly.  I have noticed the senegal
chows down on her soft foods (cooked grains and veggies) right after I serve
them, but once they get cold she's a lot less enthusiastic about eating
them.  She's always shown a preference for foods that are not cool to the
touch, so this makes sense.  As a test, I served her some freshly thawed and
warmed veggie mix in the afternoon [normally they get the warm stuff in
the a.m.only] and she started stuffing her face right away.  She just likes
her warm yum-yums, that's all.  [yes, she is way spoiled]

p.s.
Mango told me that she's asking Santa to get her some sort of heated food
bowl so her food stays warm through the day :)

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by allynn wilkins » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
>She's always shown a preference for foods that are not cool to the
>touch, so this makes sense.  As a test, I served her some freshly thawed and
>warmed veggie mix in the afternoon [normally they get the warm stuff in
>the a.m.only] and she started stuffing her face right away.  She just likes
>her warm yum-yums, that's all.  [yes, she is way spoiled]

>p.s.
>Mango told me that she's asking Santa to get her some sort of heated food
>bowl so her food stays warm through the day :)

Is there such a thing?!  Basil would *love* it (and it would save 'mommy'
countless trips to the microwave in mid-afternoon to 'zap' his food!  I
assume that warm food is closer to (original) mommy's regurgitated fare
but I still have a hard time understanding why a 12 year old wild caught
TAG (who lived on 'parrot mix' for most of his life) would
remember/care!  I think he just likes to watch his "human slave" do his
bidding!  The "cold food" angle is an interesting thing to consider.

Allynn

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by allynn wilkins » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
>I've noticed that my conure really digs carbos.  Always has, it's a
>steady thing.  

With Bas' it comes and goes.  I *did* have a 'tiel once who would only
eat 'beige' food!  (mostly carbos).  He eventually grew out of it but it
was pretty funny for awhile!

Quote:

>(But today she came down from her perch, trucked right across the
>counter and stuck her entire face in my friend's bowl of chili.  

Oh!!! Messy birdie!

Quote:
>Have you seen in increase in eating any other particular thing, like
>only going for a certain item she's given in a mix?  I've seen all of
>my birds have fluctuating tastes.  

I haven't really noticed specific.  He's never been much for sunflower
seeds (thank heaven's for small mercies!).  He's actually been eating the
orange and green 'kibble' bits of mix (that *is* new).  I'm going out
today to get him some pellets.  I don't really want to convert him 100%
to pellets for lots of reasons but they will be a good winter
addition.... if he'll eat them!

Quote:
>Get some new fruits and veggies (or fix old ones in slightly different
>presentations, like cut carrots in a different shape) and eat them
>yourself, acting like it's the best thing you've ever had.  Then see
>how eager they are to try it.  =-)

Yeah... people food always *is* best!  I'm thinking of not giving him any
fresh veggies for a day or two.  The still has his 15 beans (which I
mixed in with his seed to 'psche' him out!).  Maybe I'll slip in a corn
ring or one or two grapes - make him think they're a *real* treat!

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll keep everyone posted!

Allynn

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by Cathy Quinon » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
wilkinson) writes:

:>>p.s.
:>>Mango told me that she's asking Santa to get her some sort of heated food
:>>bowl so her food stays warm through the day :)
:>>
:>
:>Is there such a thing?!  Basil would *love* it (and it would save 'mommy'
:>countless trips to the microwave in mid-afternoon to 'zap' his food!  I
:>assume that warm food is closer to (original) mommy's regurgitated fare
:>but I still have a hard time understanding why a 12 year old wild caught
:>TAG (who lived on 'parrot mix' for most of his life) would
:>remember/care!  I think he just likes to watch his "human slave" do his
:>bidding!  The "cold food" angle is an interesting thing to consider.

I doubt it (re: heated dish).  I mean, I'm sure somewhere there is such a
thing :) but I don't know how wise it would be to use one.  In warm weather,
we complain about food spoiling (because bacteria also like it warm), so I
think it would be a trade-off.  Also, you may want to re-think the idea of
re-heating the same food repeatedly.  Each heating is going to zap some more
nutrients, plus exposure to air is also doing its thing all along, plus
reheating will give whatever bacteria are already in the food a
boost ("it's warm, MULTIPLY!"... assuming the microwaves don't kill them all,
which is likely, since one isn't heating the food to kill bugs but to warm it
to a pleasant temp.)  Maybe you could serve 1/2 as much fresh food
in the a.m., then the other half in the p.m. (so that it all gets heated only
once)?  That's sort of what's been going on around here, in particular with
the senegal.  She's now used to getting a warm meal in the evening (possibly
the tastiest meal of the day), I do think she "saves up space" for it!  
Because of this, I may switch to adding the vitamin/mineral supplement to
the evening meal and offering a much smaller portion of warm yummies in the
a.m. (in hope she will eat that right away, and eat pellets/seed for "lunch").

As to why Basil would still appreciate warm food, remember that bonded pairs
do feed one another.  This warm food thing probably just feels good!! :)

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff Ferr » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00


Yes, they do make food warmers, but they are for human babies.  However,
I don't see why you couldn't use them for your bird.  Again,
you would have to watch out for bugs and micros and all those nasties,
and I doubt the baby food size dishes would fit into your cage, so you might
need to remove the bird and serve him at the table (geesh, you'ld think
we ARE their slaves).  

I do have a suggestion.  I purchased a thing called a coyote egg.  It was a
pottery "rock", about the size of a baseball.  It had a flat bottom, and was
glazed so you could wash it easily.  What you did was put it in the oven at
a warm temp for about 10 minutes.  Then, you put it in the bottom of a bread
basket, put a towel over it, put in the rolls/bread whatever, and it kept everything
comfortable warm through dinner.  

Now, take that one step further.  Find one the size of an egg, put it in the food dish
then put the hot food on top.  It should keep everything nice for the bird.

And the first person to make these and sell them owes my 10% from the
gross.....

 
 
 

Basil is "off" his fruits and veggies...

Post by allynn wilkins » Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:

>Yes, they do make food warmers, but they are for human babies.  However,
>I don't see why you couldn't use them for your bird.  Again,
>you would have to watch out for bugs and micros and all those nasties,
>and I doubt the baby food size dishes would fit into your cage, so you might
>need to remove the bird and serve him at the table (geesh, you'ld think
>we ARE their slaves).  

I wonder if a good insulated cup would work (for a while).  As to "micros
and all those nasties" the things I find myself re-heating are usually
corn-on-the-cob, cranberries and beans (after I've given them a good
wash).  I think that's at least as safe as if he just ate them cold later
in the afternoon.  His favorite treat in the afternoon is warmed
tangerine sections *if* (and only if) I remove the membrane!  Sometimes
it takes me 3/4 of an hour to eat a tangerine!  Then again... it sure
beats studying!

Basil used to eat at the dinner table with me all the
time but, in this apartment, I don't *have* a dinner table and he doesn't
like to sit to on floor and eat off the coffee table like I do!

Has anyone else noticed fresh(ish) corn on the cob with a white sticky
mold on it?  I bought some at the grocery store and was really appalled.  
This was meant for *people* after all, and I found my self scrubbing it
to within and inch of its life!  

Quote:
>I do have a suggestion.  I purchased a thing called a coyote egg.  It was a
>pottery "rock", about the size of a baseball.  It had a flat bottom, and was
>glazed so you could wash it easily.  What you did was put it in the oven at
>a warm temp for about 10 minutes.  Then, you put it in the bottom of a bread
>basket, put a towel over it, put in the rolls/bread whatever, and it kept everything
>comfortable warm through dinner.  

>Now, take that one step further.  Find one the size of an egg, put it in the food dish
>then put the hot food on top.  It should keep everything nice for the bird.

You know, most of my friends just pop a "Lean Cuisine" in the microwave,
pour out half a can of flat Diet Pepsi and call it dinner!  It's *so*
nice to talk to people who pamper their pets as much (or more) than I do!

Allynn

 
 
 

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Post by Micha » Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:00:00



Quote:

> I need some ideas here...
> Basil (wild caught TAG) has become totally uninterested in his fruits and
> veggies in the past few days.  He's as active as ever and he's "totally
> into" seed, crackers, pretzels, bread sticks, etc. but he ignores the
> fruit and veg (even corn!).  

..
....

My CAG goes through phases where she won't even touch her fresh stuff
and sticks only to her mix of pellets, seeds, nuts, grains etc.

She usually follows this phase by eating mostly fresh foods and nearly
ignorning her mix..

Keep giving Basil a variety of fresh and carbo's and he'll probably eat
both in phases..

I am considering restricting Tomo to a acrylic box or aquarium when
she's eating pomagranate seeds.... 8-)

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff Ferr » Fri, 17 Nov 1995 04:00:00


That stuff on the corn, it aint' good.  I'm from corn country (I used
to live on the Mississippi river between Iowa (where the state
flower is an ear of corn) and Illinois, and there are some nasties
that can come from corn.  Certain pollens, molds and other
goodies form a *** toxin, some deadly, some behave
like LSD, some just make you ill.  I'm not saying what you had on
the corn is any one  of these, but you might want to watch closely.
Where I'm from , since corn is so plentiful (slight understatement there), we
wouldn't bother with an ear that didn't look right.  We'ld toss it, step out
the back door and pluck another one off the stalk.  Ok, not exactly
just step out the door, but we usually didn't have to cross a street to get
to some.