Intro, Pionus question, Finding breeder question.

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Intro, Pionus question, Finding breeder question.

Post by p.. » Mon, 14 Aug 1995 04:00:00



Hello everyone.  :)
I haven't posted much to r.p.b, but I've been reading for about 3 months now,
and doing private email with Debbie Kesling for about 1 month.  (Thanks
Debbie!  :)
I'm finishing grad school in a few months, I have a job lined up, I'm
working on finding an apartment that will accept birds, and I'm starting the
process of getting a parrot.

I grew up around lots of pets (7 species, 20 pets, some of whom still live
with my parents).  My experience with birds includes pet chickens, pet pigeons,
and two budgies, one of whom I was responsible for hand-taming.  The worst part
about grad school was student housing where I couldn't have an animal  :(
A month ago I begged Debbie to give me a "test," to see if she thought I was
worthy of a parrot, and if she doesn't mind my saying, I think I passed.  :)
She's helped me narrow my decision down to two types of birds, and now I'm
coming to the group.

For various reasons, the most important one of which is getting a relatively
low-noise bird --- (I'll be living in apartments for at least a few years, and
since I will *not* get rid of an animal once I take responsibility for it, the
quieter the bird is, the less frequently I'll have to move :)  --- I've
narrowed it down to 1) Pionus, or 2) Senegal/Meyers.  I'm pretty confident in
these two choices, as I've done some research (www, bird books, BirdTalk), and
Debbie and I went over what I can offer a bird, and what I want from a bird.

This leads me to two questions:

1)  I'm hearing/reading a lot about Asperigillis (spelling? I don't have the
book here), a respiratory problem that especially afflicts Pionus.
How common is this in Pionus?  I guess what I'm asking is, is this a large
drawback to getting a Pionus?  Should it be a serious consideration?  Also, how
is it transmitted?

2)  Given the choices I've come up with, are there any breeders anyone would
recommend in Eastern PA or Western NJ?  I went through the back of the BirdTalk
magazine and found a few breeders listed in these areas, especially some near
Lancaster/York PA.  Has anyone dealt with any in this area?  My main concern
is getting a healthy, weaned, tamed bird that will be a good companion.
I won't be changing apartments til October or Novvember, but I'm trying to do
this homework now, and get the ball rolling.

Debbie also suggested that (should I not find anything suitable around here), I
should not be afraid of having a bird shipped.  So in that light, if anyone
has recommendations for *really* good breeders of the above birds, in other
areas of the country, I would be interested in hearing them too.

Email or post -- I read regularly.  :)  And many thanks already to anyone
who can help.  :)


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Intro, Pionus question, Finding breeder question.

Post by ba.. » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Aspergillis- aspergillosis - is a fungas that grows in nesting cavities and is
inhaled (spores) into the lungs. No, it is not contageous between birds, but
all birds in the infected area may/maynot get it.  A simple Surgical sexing
can give the vet a clue - the air sacks -if the bird is infected.  ;)Bambi:)

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Post by Bruce & Alicia McWatter » Thu, 17 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>For various reasons, the most important one of which is getting a

relatively low-noise bird --- (I'll be living in apartments for at
least a few years, and since I will *not* get rid of an animal once I
take responsibility for it, the quieter the bird is, the less
frequently I'll have to move :)  --- I've narrowed it down to 1)
Pionus, or 2) Senegal/Meyers.  I'm pretty confident in
Quote:
>these two choices, as I've done some research (www, bird books,

BirdTalk), and Debbie and I went over what I can offer a bird, and what
I want from a bird.
Quote:

>This leads me to two questions:

>1)  I'm hearing/reading a lot about Asperigillis (spelling? I don't

have the book here), a respiratory problem that especially afflicts
Pionus. How common is this in Pionus?  I guess what I'm asking is, is
this a large drawback to getting a Pionus?  Should it be a serious
consideration?  Also, how is it transmitted?
Quote:

>2)  Given the choices I've come up with, are there any breeders anyone

would recommend in Eastern PA or Western NJ?  I went through the back
of the BirdTalk magazine and found a few breeders listed in these
areas, especially some near Lancaster/York PA.  Has anyone dealt with
any in this area?  My main concern is getting a healthy, weaned, tamed
bird that will be a good companion. I won't be changing apartments til
October or Novvember, but I'm trying to do this homework now, and get
the ball rolling.
Hi Pearl,

    Personally, I think you would find either a member of the pionus
genus or a member of the poicephalus genus a delightful companion! This
could be a very tough choice.
    As far as Aspergillus being common specifically in pionus; this is
just not true. A long time ago a large shipment of pionus were imported
into this country, with many of them having succumbed to this fungal
infection of the respiratory system. The conditions for which they were
kept were less than ideal (crammed) and far from hygienic. Most of
these birds died due to the lack of proper care and so the reputation
goes...While it is possible for any bird to fall ill to this infection,
pionus are no more susceptible to it than any other parrot.
   Pionus do have the recognizable characteristic of heavy breathing or
wheezing under stressful situations. This can occur in youngsters as
young as 4-5 weeks of age if frightened. Nothing to be alarmed of. This
is simply just a common reaction to fear for a pionus.
    Aspergillus fumigatis is omnipresent and a very common lung disease
in birds which are kept in cages/environments in poor condition. It
grows readily on any dead organic matter. Unsanitary nestboxes and
cages where debris from food is left to collect, unclean food and
water, or its spores inhaled inside brooders or incubators, and
reheated/old formulas are all sources for the proliferation of fungal
and bacterial growth. Aspergillus is also a common occurance in birds
where antibiotics are used excessively and indiscriminately.
    The above info should not discourage you from purchasing a bird
from a reputable breeder. Check references on a long-distance purchase.
You can certainly find a breeder who raises his/her birds under the
proper conditions. Take your time(easier said than done!), keep reading
and talking to various bird owners and breeders about the species you
are looking for. Best of luck in your selection!

    Alicia
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