lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

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lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by abalo » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:29:57



Me again, the newbie owner of two juveniles, and I'll warn you now
that I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to making sure these guys are
healthy.  That's why appreciate all of you that post and email me when
I ask these questions.

I had Stoli for about three weeks before introducing Citron, who was
slightly older and MUCH plumper than Stoli.  Stoli has never eaten a
great deal to begin with, and refuses to eat from tongs, although I do
see him catch the crickets...but his tail is always thin and his legs
seem spindly.  He sometimes shakes a bit when he walks as well.
Citron on the other hand will catch multiple crickets, eat mealworms
from tongs, and grows plumper.  They get along fine, often sleeping on
each other, and I see no bite marks or displays of aggression.

So I returned from a late work shift tonight, about 11:00pm, and went
to check on them.  i'd left the lamp on, and they were both in the
cool end of the tank, but i also noticed a very strong smell, almost
petroleum but fecal as well, coming from one "poo" on the warm end of
the tank.  There were two piles there, one normal and solid, the other
(the smelly one) a bit softer than usual with a yellow lump at the end
instead of white.  I don't know for certain which gecko did it, but
after handling them both, Citron definitely smelled more like that
petroleum odor than Stoli.

How worried should I be?  It has been hotter than usual here in the
Pac. Northwest, and muggy besides, so they may have been a bit warm
the past two days, but they did have cover, water, and moistness.
Citron had also shed during the day.  I hadn't noticed a smell from
Stoli the first time he shed, but I thought maybe that was part of the
scent?  And do I need to get Stoli checked for just generally having
less of an appetite?

thanks again, folks...
teresa

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by Lawrence & Bobbi » Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:07:46


I'm no expert, but sounds like fecal exam is in order.  When my Beardies had
strong smelling poops, they ended up having some bug (can't remember now,
it's been awhile).  A $15 fecal and an $8 bottle of meds was all it took.

Bobbie

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by Jeff Wagne » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:31:46


 where do you live? I am in Corvallis oregon. If you are relativly
nearby within a couple hours i would love to see your babies sometime.
And you are always welcome to come see mine. I have a bunch of leos and
colubrids.
 I noticed my lizard cages smelled alot more the last couple days when
the temp went up here in the pacific NW. But a fecal should always be
done once year aat least and sure cant hurt.

 jeff


Quote:

> Me again, the newbie owner of two juveniles, and I'll warn you now
> that I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to making sure these guys are
> healthy.  That's why appreciate all of you that post and email me when
> I ask these questions.

> I had Stoli for about three weeks before introducing Citron, who was
> slightly older and MUCH plumper than Stoli.  Stoli has never eaten a
> great deal to begin with, and refuses to eat from tongs, although I do
> see him catch the crickets...but his tail is always thin and his legs
> seem spindly.  He sometimes shakes a bit when he walks as well.
> Citron on the other hand will catch multiple crickets, eat mealworms
> from tongs, and grows plumper.  They get along fine, often sleeping on
> each other, and I see no bite marks or displays of aggression.

> So I returned from a late work shift tonight, about 11:00pm, and went
> to check on them.  i'd left the lamp on, and they were both in the
> cool end of the tank, but i also noticed a very strong smell, almost
> petroleum but fecal as well, coming from one "poo" on the warm end of
> the tank.  There were two piles there, one normal and solid, the other
> (the smelly one) a bit softer than usual with a yellow lump at the end
> instead of white.  I don't know for certain which gecko did it, but
> after handling them both, Citron definitely smelled more like that
> petroleum odor than Stoli.

> How worried should I be?  It has been hotter than usual here in the
> Pac. Northwest, and muggy besides, so they may have been a bit warm
> the past two days, but they did have cover, water, and moistness.
> Citron had also shed during the day.  I hadn't noticed a smell from
> Stoli the first time he shed, but I thought maybe that was part of the
> scent?  And do I need to get Stoli checked for just generally having
> less of an appetite?

> thanks again, folks...
> teresa

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by fr0gle » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:34:16


Ohhhh I'm jealous now!!! You never offered to come meet my babies Jeff!!!

For the record, it's been very hot and muggy up here in Skagit Valley, WA as
well, and my gecko's tanks were stinky too. I also came home from work to
find the hot end of my 80g tank was at 101!!! Cool end was holding at 80o
though so I did not stress about it.

I've now turned off all my ceramic IR heaters in my tanks - just using
undertank heaters 24/7 and 100w red lamps in the day now.

I find that fresh lep gecko poop is WAYYY stinkier than dried gecko poop.
The OP mentioned one of the turds was softer than usual - maybe it was
fresh?

1/2 my geckos urates are yellowish, 1/2 are white. I don't know why.

Also it might be worth trying to feed your skinny guy in a seperate feeding
container (I use a plastic dish tub)... and offer 1 pinkie mouse per month
or so to fatten that lil girl up!

hth
fr0glet


Quote:
> where do you live? I am in Corvallis oregon. If you are relativly
> nearby within a couple hours i would love to see your babies sometime.
> And you are always welcome to come see mine. I have a bunch of leos and
> colubrids.
>  I noticed my lizard cages smelled alot more the last couple days when
> the temp went up here in the pacific NW. But a fecal should always be
> done once year aat least and sure cant hurt.

>  jeff



> > Me again, the newbie owner of two juveniles, and I'll warn you now
> > that I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to making sure these guys are
> > healthy.  That's why appreciate all of you that post and email me when
> > I ask these questions.

> > I had Stoli for about three weeks before introducing Citron, who was
> > slightly older and MUCH plumper than Stoli.  Stoli has never eaten a
> > great deal to begin with, and refuses to eat from tongs, although I do
> > see him catch the crickets...but his tail is always thin and his legs
> > seem spindly.  He sometimes shakes a bit when he walks as well.
> > Citron on the other hand will catch multiple crickets, eat mealworms
> > from tongs, and grows plumper.  They get along fine, often sleeping on
> > each other, and I see no bite marks or displays of aggression.

> > So I returned from a late work shift tonight, about 11:00pm, and went
> > to check on them.  i'd left the lamp on, and they were both in the
> > cool end of the tank, but i also noticed a very strong smell, almost
> > petroleum but fecal as well, coming from one "poo" on the warm end of
> > the tank.  There were two piles there, one normal and solid, the other
> > (the smelly one) a bit softer than usual with a yellow lump at the end
> > instead of white.  I don't know for certain which gecko did it, but
> > after handling them both, Citron definitely smelled more like that
> > petroleum odor than Stoli.

> > How worried should I be?  It has been hotter than usual here in the
> > Pac. Northwest, and muggy besides, so they may have been a bit warm
> > the past two days, but they did have cover, water, and moistness.
> > Citron had also shed during the day.  I hadn't noticed a smell from
> > Stoli the first time he shed, but I thought maybe that was part of the
> > scent?  And do I need to get Stoli checked for just generally having
> > less of an appetite?

> > thanks again, folks...
> > teresa

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by Jeff Wagne » Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:29:36


 Arn't you way up by Seattle? If not let me know where and I will come
up and see your babies. Just remember it was YOUR idea!
 lol....

 jeff


Quote:

> Ohhhh I'm jealous now!!! You never offered to come meet my babies Jeff!!!

> For the record, it's been very hot and muggy up here in Skagit Valley, WA as
> well, and my gecko's tanks were stinky too. I also came home from work to
> find the hot end of my 80g tank was at 101!!! Cool end was holding at 80o
> though so I did not stress about it.

> I've now turned off all my ceramic IR heaters in my tanks - just using
> undertank heaters 24/7 and 100w red lamps in the day now.

> I find that fresh lep gecko poop is WAYYY stinkier than dried gecko poop.
> The OP mentioned one of the turds was softer than usual - maybe it was
> fresh?

> 1/2 my geckos urates are yellowish, 1/2 are white. I don't know why.

> Also it might be worth trying to feed your skinny guy in a seperate feeding
> container (I use a plastic dish tub)... and offer 1 pinkie mouse per month
> or so to fatten that lil girl up!

> hth
> fr0glet



> > where do you live? I am in Corvallis oregon. If you are relativly
> > nearby within a couple hours i would love to see your babies sometime.
> > And you are always welcome to come see mine. I have a bunch of leos and
> > colubrids.
> >  I noticed my lizard cages smelled alot more the last couple days when
> > the temp went up here in the pacific NW. But a fecal should always be
> > done once year aat least and sure cant hurt.

> >  jeff



> > > Me again, the newbie owner of two juveniles, and I'll warn you now
> > > that I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to making sure these guys are
> > > healthy.  That's why appreciate all of you that post and email me when
> > > I ask these questions.

> > > I had Stoli for about three weeks before introducing Citron, who was
> > > slightly older and MUCH plumper than Stoli.  Stoli has never eaten a
> > > great deal to begin with, and refuses to eat from tongs, although I do
> > > see him catch the crickets...but his tail is always thin and his legs
> > > seem spindly.  He sometimes shakes a bit when he walks as well.
> > > Citron on the other hand will catch multiple crickets, eat mealworms
> > > from tongs, and grows plumper.  They get along fine, often sleeping on
> > > each other, and I see no bite marks or displays of aggression.

> > > So I returned from a late work shift tonight, about 11:00pm, and went
> > > to check on them.  i'd left the lamp on, and they were both in the
> > > cool end of the tank, but i also noticed a very strong smell, almost
> > > petroleum but fecal as well, coming from one "poo" on the warm end of
> > > the tank.  There were two piles there, one normal and solid, the other
> > > (the smelly one) a bit softer than usual with a yellow lump at the end
> > > instead of white.  I don't know for certain which gecko did it, but
> > > after handling them both, Citron definitely smelled more like that
> > > petroleum odor than Stoli.

> > > How worried should I be?  It has been hotter than usual here in the
> > > Pac. Northwest, and muggy besides, so they may have been a bit warm
> > > the past two days, but they did have cover, water, and moistness.
> > > Citron had also shed during the day.  I hadn't noticed a smell from
> > > Stoli the first time he shed, but I thought maybe that was part of the
> > > scent?  And do I need to get Stoli checked for just generally having
> > > less of an appetite?

> > > thanks again, folks...
> > > teresa

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by SnakeladysF.. » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:01:54


It sounds like your gecko has a serious parasite problem. Leopard geckos
can carry a whole host of endo-parasites! They should not be housed
together! Never house any animals together that aren't in the peak of
health. You need to have fecals done on both of these animals ASAP.
Without proper treatment they both can die! snake lady  

"Medicine to produce health has to examine disease"  Plutarch
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeladysFarm/SnakeLadysReptile0

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by SnakeladysF.. » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:16:54


It's not the fecal odor that would cause me concern but the fact that
the gecko is failing to thrive. You describe it as having a thin tail &
legs. These are cause for concern. You're not being paranoid. BTW all
feces stink:^)                                  snake lady

"Medicine to produce health has to examine disease"  Plutarch
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeladysFarm/SnakeLadysReptile0

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by fr0gle » Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:23:41


WAY UP? It's not that far. But don't sweat it, I understand how lazy
you are. ;)

fr0glet


Quote:

>  Arn't you way up by Seattle? If not let me know where and I will
come
> up and see your babies. Just remember it was YOUR idea!
>  lol....

>  jeff



> > Ohhhh I'm jealous now!!! You never offered to come meet my babies
Jeff!!!

> > For the record, it's been very hot and muggy up here in Skagit
Valley, WA as
> > well, and my gecko's tanks were stinky too. I also came home from
work to
> > find the hot end of my 80g tank was at 101!!! Cool end was
holding at 80o
> > though so I did not stress about it.

> > I've now turned off all my ceramic IR heaters in my tanks - just
using
> > undertank heaters 24/7 and 100w red lamps in the day now.

> > I find that fresh lep gecko poop is WAYYY stinkier than dried
gecko poop.
> > The OP mentioned one of the turds was softer than usual - maybe it
was
> > fresh?

> > 1/2 my geckos urates are yellowish, 1/2 are white. I don't know
why.

> > Also it might be worth trying to feed your skinny guy in a
seperate feeding
> > container (I use a plastic dish tub)... and offer 1 pinkie mouse
per month
> > or so to fatten that lil girl up!

> > hth
> > fr0glet



> > > where do you live? I am in Corvallis oregon. If you are
relativly
> > > nearby within a couple hours i would love to see your babies
sometime.
> > > And you are always welcome to come see mine. I have a bunch of
leos and
> > > colubrids.
> > >  I noticed my lizard cages smelled alot more the last couple
days when
> > > the temp went up here in the pacific NW. But a fecal should
always be
> > > done once year aat least and sure cant hurt.

> > >  jeff


abalone

> > > > Me again, the newbie owner of two juveniles, and I'll warn you
now
> > > > that I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to making sure these
guys are
> > > > healthy.  That's why appreciate all of you that post and email
me when
> > > > I ask these questions.

> > > > I had Stoli for about three weeks before introducing Citron,
who was
> > > > slightly older and MUCH plumper than Stoli.  Stoli has never
eaten a
> > > > great deal to begin with, and refuses to eat from tongs,
although I do
> > > > see him catch the crickets...but his tail is always thin and
his legs
> > > > seem spindly.  He sometimes shakes a bit when he walks as
well.
> > > > Citron on the other hand will catch multiple crickets, eat
mealworms
> > > > from tongs, and grows plumper.  They get along fine, often
sleeping on
> > > > each other, and I see no bite marks or displays of aggression.

> > > > So I returned from a late work shift tonight, about 11:00pm,
and went
> > > > to check on them.  i'd left the lamp on, and they were both in
the
> > > > cool end of the tank, but i also noticed a very strong smell,
almost
> > > > petroleum but fecal as well, coming from one "poo" on the warm
end of
> > > > the tank.  There were two piles there, one normal and solid,
the other
> > > > (the smelly one) a bit softer than usual with a yellow lump at
the end
> > > > instead of white.  I don't know for certain which gecko did
it, but
> > > > after handling them both, Citron definitely smelled more like
that
> > > > petroleum odor than Stoli.

> > > > How worried should I be?  It has been hotter than usual here
in the
> > > > Pac. Northwest, and muggy besides, so they may have been a bit
warm
> > > > the past two days, but they did have cover, water, and
moistness.
> > > > Citron had also shed during the day.  I hadn't noticed a smell
from
> > > > Stoli the first time he shed, but I thought maybe that was
part of the
> > > > scent?  And do I need to get Stoli checked for just generally
having
> > > > less of an appetite?

> > > > thanks again, folks...
> > > > teresa

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by abalo » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:03:57


Update...

Took the gex to an all-night emergency clinic on Saturday because of
an entirely clear stool from Stoli when I got off work; was there 'til
2:00am because of the major "hit by a car"  canine surgeries
happening.  Not that I mind; the geckos were doing fine in their
little porta-box.  However, the vet who examined them was upfront
about having precious little experience with reptiles, and basically
read me the info out of her vet book as a "consult."  Nice lady,
though...I'm not blaming her for not knowing.  They did suggest I take
them to a true ***s vet on Monday, from whence I just returned.
(grammar??)

To make a long story short, they did a fecal on both, neither of which
showed parasites.  Stoli was too small (and skittish) for them to get
*** (which I think they were doing to test for a metabolic bone
problem, because of the shaking when he walks), but they did run a
bacterial scan on the feces; I will know the results by Wednesday.
Meanwhile, I'll be forcefeeding Stoli (the skinny one) a mixture of
either chicken or turkey baby food and watching to see if he takes
crickets as well.

The "awww" part of it all is that, once home, they meandered around
the tank again, (Cabo eating a cricket that was in his way), and
promptly curled up together in the hide box.  The vet said that it's a
good probability that since they have been housed together since
before the strange stools began, whatever Stoli has, Cabo has, so I
might as well keep them together until we know the results on
Wednesday.

Oh, and I live "waaay up" in Seattle as well...so apparently it's a
road trip for you all the way around!  :)

thanks again...
t

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by Jenn » Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:45:30


Quote:

> Oh, and I live "waaay up" in Seattle as well...so apparently it's a
> road trip for you all the way around!  :)

> thanks again...
> t

Cool, another Seattle herper!  Have you heard about PNHS yet?  :-)

Jennifer

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by abalo » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:32:30


Quote:

> Cool, another Seattle herper!  Have you heard about PNHS yet?  :-)

> Jennifer

No, I haven't. :)  pacific northwest herpetological society?  (did i
spell that right?)  lol.  It sounds like it could be fun...I'll see if
I can find a link on Google, but if you have contact info, would you
let me know?  Thanks...

t

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by fr0gle » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:53:38


Quote:

> > Cool, another Seattle herper!  Have you heard about PNHS yet?  :-)

> > Jennifer

> No, I haven't. :)  pacific northwest herpetological society?  (did i
> spell that right?)  lol.  It sounds like it could be fun...I'll see
if
> I can find a link on Google, but if you have contact info, would you
> let me know?  Thanks...

http://www.pnhs.net/

We're meeting tonight at the Seattle aquarium. Monthly meetings on the
3rd Sunday at 6pm, tonight will be my first. I'll be chasing Jenn
there (after I examine her mealworm colony, that is ;)

Hope you can make it!

fr0glet

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by abalo » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:18:00


I didn't get your message 'til this evening, and worked a closing
shift at my part-time job tonight besides...but thanks for the
invitation.  3rd Sunday of the month?  I'll try and make July's
meeting for sure.  Hopefully good news about Stoli when I show up;
finally got the word from the vet that he has salmonella...so it's
antibiotic time, and keeping an eye on Cabo as well.  Wish us luck!
 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by fr0gle » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:31:58


Quote:

> I didn't get your message 'til this evening, and worked a closing
> shift at my part-time job tonight besides...but thanks for the
> invitation.  3rd Sunday of the month?  I'll try and make July's
> meeting for sure.  Hopefully good news about Stoli when I show up;
> finally got the word from the vet that he has salmonella...so it's
> antibiotic time, and keeping an eye on Cabo as well.  Wish us luck!

Good luck! Salmonella, huh? Interesting... wonder how he contracted
that. Be sure to wash your hands after handling and all that good
stuff!

I had a REALLY GOOD TIME at the PNHS meeting!!! I handled quite a few
snakes including a beautiful lemony yellow burmese, petted an iguana
who bobbed her head at me and shook her tail, and they even brought in
a REALLY BIG AMERICAN ALLIGATOR!!! He must have been about 5 feet long
and the guy said he weighed over 135#. We all got to touch and feel
him, he was pretty docile and had very soft feet. Everyone was very
nice and friendly and I am looking forward to attending again :)

fr0glet
p.s. Thanks, Jenn!

 
 
 

lep gex ? re: disturbing odor

Post by Jenn » Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:06:46


Quote:


>>I didn't get your message 'til this evening, and worked a closing
>>shift at my part-time job tonight besides...but thanks for the
>>invitation.  3rd Sunday of the month?  I'll try and make July's
>>meeting for sure.  Hopefully good news about Stoli when I show up;
>>finally got the word from the vet that he has salmonella...so it's
>>antibiotic time, and keeping an eye on Cabo as well.  Wish us luck!

> Good luck! Salmonella, huh? Interesting... wonder how he contracted
> that. Be sure to wash your hands after handling and all that good
> stuff!

> I had a REALLY GOOD TIME at the PNHS meeting!!! I handled quite a few
> snakes including a beautiful lemony yellow burmese, petted an iguana
> who bobbed her head at me and shook her tail, and they even brought in
> a REALLY BIG AMERICAN ALLIGATOR!!! He must have been about 5 feet long
> and the guy said he weighed over 135#. We all got to touch and feel
> him, he was pretty docile and had very soft feet. Everyone was very
> nice and friendly and I am looking forward to attending again :)

> fr0glet
> p.s. Thanks, Jenn!

You're welcome!  I had a blast, too.  That alligator was sooooo cool.
Heh, Weezer, the burmese, is a regular at the meetings.  Sasquatch uses
him for outreach programs.  I've seen Sasquatch _toss_ the snake to
someone else, and Weezer doesn't care at all.  He's great with the kids,
and so pretty!  Almost makes me want a burmese.  Almost.

BTW, I took a pic of you with the gator.  Want me to mail it, or post it
and send the URL?  I may put a whole page of them on my site and post
the link here.

The next meeting is the 18th of July, I think.  3rd Sunday.  I'll be
driving a load of people down from Lynnwood again, and you and abalone
are welcome to carpool.  Maybe we can do a dinner before again.

Jennifer