Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

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Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by fr0gle » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:21:55



I just picked up Crazy Lady (named before I met Mike H., honest!) from the
vet, her armpit and neck swelling was *probably* a direct result of having a
parasitic habitation of nematodes. Final ***work results are due back next
Monday.

Jennifer was correct when she suggested to me that the swollen liquidy areas
are approximately where we (humans) have lymph nodes - apparently leopard
geckos do too. The nematodes were probably causing the swollen lymph glands
which looked like sacs of liquid. Edema is pretty much what it is.

The vet said other than she's great - excellent vitamin & protein balances
in her *** and quite plump, great colors and very alert and active.

The vet also commented on how short her jawbone is and how tiny her eyes
are - she is pretty darn close to ***hood but those features are
unnaturally small. We agreed that she may have been vitamin deficient
throughout her early developtmental life stages, or perhaps she's just a
runt. She was my tiniest skinniest squirmiest when I got her.

At any rate, I got a dose of <insert long scientific nematode medication
name here> for all 7 of my leopard geckos - and for the record, banana
flavoring is NOT a big hit with insectivores.

The COOLEST part is the vet tech who did her initial exam is a childhood
friend of mine! We ran into each other at the Northwest Captive Breeder's
Expo on saturday and she told me she worked as a tech for a local ***
vet - the office is less than a mile from my house. Stinkin' Petco has been
telling me for over a year there are NO local vets who see ***s!!! The
vet even told me that occasionally they see Petco's reptiles and amphibians.
THE IRONY!!  Their ad in the phone book just lists mammals, birds, and large
animals.

fr0glet, less worried woman and now committed to annual wormings

 
 
 

Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by fr0gle » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:47:22


Quote:

> I just picked up Crazy Lady (named before I met Mike H., honest!) from the
> vet, her armpit and neck swelling was *probably* a direct result of having
a
> parasitic habitation of nematodes.

I finally got pics up (and fr0glet.org back online)... I couldn't capture
the armpit very well so these pics reflect the liquidy swelling in her
neck/jowls.

http://www.fr0glet.org/pix/pets/crazy_lady/

Quote:
> At any rate, I got a dose of

Nemex. OK so it's not long or scientific.

Quote:
> and for the record, banana flavoring is NOT a big hit with insectivores.

I didn't realize how bad this was going to be - one of my gex actually
PROLAPSED while trying to avoid the medicine!!! It went back into her body
right afterwards... I'm off digging up what to do about this.

Any suggestions for post-prolapse care?  :o(

fr0glet (covered in banana flavored splatter)

 
 
 

Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by Jenn » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:28:21


Quote:


>>I just picked up Crazy Lady (named before I met Mike H., honest!) from the
>>vet, her armpit and neck swelling was *probably* a direct result of having
> a
>>parasitic habitation of nematodes.

Wow!  I hadn't heard that parasites could cause something like that.
*boggle*  Learn something new each day.  The whole lymph node thing was
a shot in the dark.

Quote:
> I finally got pics up (and fr0glet.org back online)... I couldn't capture
> the armpit very well so these pics reflect the liquidy swelling in her
> neck/jowls.

> http://www.moonsgarden.com/

Yeah, that looks pretty weird.  I hope this clears it right up!  She's a
pretty little girl.

Quote:
>>At any rate, I got a dose of

> Nemex. OK so it's not long or scientific.

>>and for the record, banana flavoring is NOT a big hit with insectivores.

I think the mouthrot medicine I was giving to Slinky was banana.  She
hated it!  She made the funniest faces when I gave it to her. :-)  I'd
drip a little on the tip of her nose and bug her so she'd***.  After a
quick spasm and lots of blinking, she'd automatically try to clean her
nose and I'd quickly dribble the rest on before she stopped***ing.
Took a bit of practice, and she never did get used to the flavor.

On the subject of fun medications, we picked up a second medication for
the curlytail.  Due to the difficulty of diagnosing a 12 gram lizard,
we're going to add Baytril (an ***antibiotic) to her treatment and
hope it clears up whatever's making her keep her eyes closed.  This, in
addition to eye drops, giving her water with a syringe, and trying to
get her to eat.  Whee.  I bet she hates me already.

Oh, quick cool news, I took Gumby, the little gecko who had her legs
broken, to the vet to pick up the curlytail medicine today.  The vet
weighed her, and she went from 23 g to 36 g since I got her, I think in
July.  Dr. Kamaka is very happy with Gumby's new home. :-)

Quote:
> I didn't realize how bad this was going to be - one of my gex actually
> PROLAPSED while trying to avoid the medicine!!! It went back into her body
> right afterwards... I'm off digging up what to do about this.

> Any suggestions for post-prolapse care?  :o(

Oh no!  Well, it's good that it went back in.  The only thing I've heard
on the group is to keep the animal on a moist paper towel (so any
prolapsed tissue stays moist) and get it to a vet.  A quick look in the
"Atlas of Reptiles and Apmibians" under "prolapse" says that the tissue
is often damaged by a prolapse, and therapy is more likely to be
effective the sooner it is applied.  "Depending on the degree of injury
and soiling there can either be a complete repositioning or there has to
be a resection of the prolapsed tissue under local anesthesia."  Sounds
like you'll be making another trip to the vet. :-(  I hope the fact that
it went back in means she'll be fine without surgery.

Quote:
> fr0glet (covered in banana flavored splatter)

Hey, you know what a remark like that'll provoke on this newsgroup.... :-P

Jennifer

 
 
 

Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by ViperSpi » Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:24:29


Not sure if you realize this, but your ear was exposed in a couple of those
pics.

Spit


Quote:
> I just picked up Crazy Lady (named before I met Mike H., honest!) from the
> vet, her armpit and neck swelling was *probably* a direct result of having
a
> parasitic habitation of nematodes. Final ***work results are due back
next
> Monday.

> Jennifer was correct when she suggested to me that the swollen liquidy
areas
> are approximately where we (humans) have lymph nodes - apparently leopard
> geckos do too. The nematodes were probably causing the swollen lymph
glands
> which looked like sacs of liquid. Edema is pretty much what it is.

> The vet said other than she's great - excellent vitamin & protein balances
> in her *** and quite plump, great colors and very alert and active.

> The vet also commented on how short her jawbone is and how tiny her eyes
> are - she is pretty darn close to ***hood but those features are
> unnaturally small. We agreed that she may have been vitamin deficient
> throughout her early developtmental life stages, or perhaps she's just a
> runt. She was my tiniest skinniest squirmiest when I got her.

> At any rate, I got a dose of <insert long scientific nematode medication
> name here> for all 7 of my leopard geckos - and for the record, banana
> flavoring is NOT a big hit with insectivores.

> The COOLEST part is the vet tech who did her initial exam is a childhood
> friend of mine! We ran into each other at the Northwest Captive Breeder's
> Expo on saturday and she told me she worked as a tech for a local ***
> vet - the office is less than a mile from my house. Stinkin' Petco has
been
> telling me for over a year there are NO local vets who see ***s!!! The
> vet even told me that occasionally they see Petco's reptiles and
amphibians.
> THE IRONY!!  Their ad in the phone book just lists mammals, birds, and
large
> animals.

> fr0glet, less worried woman and now committed to annual wormings

 
 
 

Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by fr0gle » Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:36:02


Quote:

> Not sure if you realize this, but your ear was exposed in a couple of
those
> pics.

> Spit

Not only that, but I'm too vain to snip my ear OUT of those pics.

fr0glet

 
 
 

Quickie update on the swollen lep gek armpit

Post by fr0gle » Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:19:43


Quote:


> > I didn't realize how bad this was going to be - one of my gex actually
> > PROLAPSED while trying to avoid the medicine!!! It went back into her
body
> > right afterwards... I'm off digging up what to do about this.

> > Any suggestions for post-prolapse care?  :o(

> Oh no!  Well, it's good that it went back in.  The only thing I've heard
> on the group is to keep the animal on a moist paper towel (so any
> prolapsed tissue stays moist) and get it to a vet.

Well last night after the prolapse I observed her excreting a few drops of
clear liquid from her vent. No sign of the prolapse, it had all sucked back
into her body within 2 seconds of coming out. I did not handle her again,
she was*** out unmoving in her normal spot and glaring at me (they were
all glaring at me last night after medicine).

Last night while reading about prolapses I read that can be another side
effect of parasites, so perhaps that is half her problem and the other half
was struggling to not take medicine. I've never handled that girl very much,
She's been very skittish since day one, I think she was overhandled by my
former friend because she is much brighter colored than the rest (very high
yellow w/white tail).

Called the vet again this morning to get advice on the prolapse and they
asked me to call back later to talk to the herp specialist. She was sleeping
peacefully this morning in her usual box, legs all akimbo as usual.

Ironically, it was my mean jerk 1/2-blind male gecko that was easiest to
give medication to... he CHOMPED the syringe as soon as it got near his face
and I squirted it in his mouth! Simple! :)

fr0glet

 
 
 

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Post by fr0gle » Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:45:03


Quote:

> Last night while reading about prolapses I read that can be another side
> effect of parasites, so perhaps that is half her problem and the other
half
> was struggling to not take medicine.

The vet gave me the same advice. I've seen no sign of any further prolapsing
and she was active last night, running around chasing crickets. Hopefully
the rest of the medication will go down smoother!

fr0glet

 
 
 

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Post by SnakeladysF.. » Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:43:49


Reptiles when stressed will often evert their cloaca. This is normal.
Could that have been what you saw? snake lady

"Medicine to produce health has to examine disease"  Plutarch
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeladysFarm/SnakeLadysReptile0

 
 
 

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Post by fr0gle » Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:25:16


Quote:

> Reptiles when stressed will often evert their cloaca. This is normal.
> Could that have been what you saw? snake lady

I guess I thought that prolapsing and everting cloaca were the same thing,
logically though if they were just everting as a stress mechanism they could
suck it right back in whereas with a prolapse they wouldn't have the
capability to draw it back in their body.

Am I getting warmer? :)

Incidentally, we did the chicken-flavored medication this evening and went
over muuuuch smoother than the Forsaken Banana Medication From Hell.

fr0glet

 
 
 

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Post by SnakeladysF.. » Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:29:30


I think you got it Fr0glet:^) An everted cloaca can be sucked back in &
a prolapse usually involves part of the intestine or hemipenes that
can't be sucked back in & needs repair. snake lady

"Medicine to produce health has to examine disease"  Plutarch
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeladysFarm/SnakeLadysReptile0