snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

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snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Cat Oliv » Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:42:08



Sorry just need to vent a little.

My two rosies, who ate like clockwork-every 7 days, 2 fuzzies each,
suddenly just *stopped* a week ago. Their temps, cages, etc, have not
changed.. so I'm not sure whats going on with them. Its so frustrating
to take the time to thaw their meal out to have them show absolutely
no interest in it! I tried 'bleeding' the fuzzies, no response. :( Not
sure whats wrong.. but they're both a good weight, so I'm just going
to give them another two weeks and see what happens.

On another note.. one of my corns (not the male, I KNOW why he won't
eat), a female, has also quit eating as of two weeks ago. She's one of
2 I got earlier this year from someone who really didn't take care of
them, and sold them as breeders-but they are waaayyy too small and
skinny to be breeders. My grump with these two is not only does the
female not eat well, but I have to hold a syringe full of water up to
her to get her to drink anything :( She refuses to leave the hide,
defecates in it and everything. The male is ok in both those things
(defs outside the hide and drinks his own water out of the dish) but
he's _still_ skinny and just doesn't seem to gain any weight. Should I
have him checked for worms? He's also had one *** shed-it came off
in pieces. The female's shed was just fine. Neither of them are used
to being handled and are _very_ jumpy, unlike my other two corns.

My BPs are doing good-one is fat and happy, getting ready to shed for
the 2nd time this month, but the female absolutely refuses to eat f/t
and live rodents are getting hard to find around here. (not to mention
expensive.) I've tried ***ing, braining.. nothing. She's half the
size of the male, still sheds good, and doesn't look too skinny.

My new rainbow is doing ok, took a mouse tonight-but its quite obvious
his previous owner fed him live mice (he has some *** scars) and he
isn't very handleable. The previous owner only had him since March,
and said he is pretty nippy.

Now my major grump is I'm a little fed up with getting animals from
people in such bad condition! There isn't much I can do about it after
they get here either, which makes it all the more difficult. The two
corns arrived here in horrible shape.. and so did the rainbow. Its
very frustrating feeling like all the animals I raised myself are in
pretty good condition (ie: fed well, healthy, right enclosure, etc),
and so many people out there are not taking care of their animals and
just selling them off when something bad happens to the animal or they
dont feel like feeding them anymore (of which they let them sit for
months at a time without food or dont feed them enough).

Anyone else feel like this? I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the
rainbow.. (for now he's in a nice, comfy enclosure with lots of
humidity, heat, and he's being fed well) I'm a little unhappy about
the condition he is in. I'm tempted to send him back to the seller,
but then I'd be sending back an animal that would probably die in his
care (since he claims he didn't see the scars I was talking about).

ok, I'm done ranting now.. Time to go feed the fat little gecko :)

-cat

 
 
 

snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Zetekitox » Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:30:46


Quote:

> Sorry just need to vent a little.

> My two rosies, who ate like clockwork-every 7 days, 2 fuzzies each,
> suddenly just *stopped* a week ago. Their temps, cages, etc, have not
> changed.. so I'm not sure whats going on with them. Its so frustrating
> to take the time to thaw their meal out to have them show absolutely
> no interest in it! I tried 'bleeding' the fuzzies, no response. :( Not
> sure whats wrong.. but they're both a good weight, so I'm just going
> to give them another two weeks and see what happens.

Sounds like a good plan.  It's probably just spring fever.

Quote:

> On another note.. one of my corns (not the male, I KNOW why he won't
> eat), a female, has also quit eating as of two weeks ago. She's one of
> 2 I got earlier this year from someone who really didn't take care of
> them, and sold them as breeders-but they are waaayyy too small and
> skinny to be breeders. My grump with these two is not only does the
> female not eat well, but I have to hold a syringe full of water up to
> her to get her to drink anything :( She refuses to leave the hide,
> defecates in it and everything.

Is this because she's too weak or sick to leave the hide, or maybe
because she's intimidated by the male?  This sounds like something you
should definitely look into more closely.  Will she drink if you give
her a soak?  I would definitely get a fecal on these two and have it
checked for parasites.  *** work might not be out of order for the
female if she doesn't have parasites and doesn't start moving around
more.  Keep a close eye on her.  Are you sure she's not slipping out
at night to her water dish.  Does she look dehydrated?

<snip>

Quote:
> Anyone else feel like this? I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the
> rainbow.. (for now he's in a nice, comfy enclosure with lots of
> humidity, heat, and he's being fed well) I'm a little unhappy about
> the condition he is in. I'm tempted to send him back to the seller,
> but then I'd be sending back an animal that would probably die in his
> care (since he claims he didn't see the scars I was talking about).

OK.  Maybe I missed something in the pictures.  He has a fairly
well-healed scar, some retained shed and could stand to put on a
little weight.  I can understand being upset with his condition if you
were expecting a perfect specimen and being pissed off at the previous
owner for taking crappy care of the snake, but none of these problems
are severe enough that they should be affecting the snake's health,
and they really shouldn't worry you horribly.  It all appears very
superficial and minor (from the pics at least).  Or are you just
worried about encouraging the previous owner to continue with his
mediocre care?  You could just call him and tell him how you feel
about the snake's condition.  It's not quite as powerful a statement
as sending the snake back, but it might penetrate.  You could also ask
for a partial refund, as the snake was not as promised.  And I would
definitely email him the picture of the scar that he never noticed.

Quote:

> ok, I'm done ranting now.. Time to go feed the fat little gecko :)

> -cat

Chip up Cat.  Other people suck and will continue to do so.  Not much
you can do about that.  Just take pleasure in the fact that the
critters are being taken care of now.

-Z

 
 
 

snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Cat Oliv » Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:18:11


Quote:
> Is this because she's too weak or sick to leave the hide, or maybe
> because she's intimidated by the male?  This sounds like something you
> should definitely look into more closely.  Will she drink if you give
> her a soak?  I would definitely get a fecal on these two and have it
> checked for parasites.  *** work might not be out of order for the
> female if she doesn't have parasites and doesn't start moving around
> more.  Keep a close eye on her.  Are you sure she's not slipping out
> at night to her water dish.  Does she look dehydrated?

She may be slipping out at night.. but its odd that she would 'drink'
from the thawed mouse, but not take it. She's always been a buggy
feeder since I got her. She does not drink if I soak her, and does not
seem dehydrated. Definitely not weak, either (she's one of those
I'm-going-to-run-if-you-hold-me types)

I agree on the fecal.. these two just haven't been putting on the
weight I was hoping.. the female is in fairly good condition, but the
male is downright skinny. (If I knew who the previous owner was, I'd
*** him/her)

Quote:
> OK.  Maybe I missed something in the pictures.  He has a fairly
> well-healed scar, some retained shed and could stand to put on a
> little weight.  I can understand being upset with his condition if you
> were expecting a perfect specimen and being pissed off at the previous
> owner for taking crappy care of the snake, but none of these problems
> are severe enough that they should be affecting the snake's health,
> and they really shouldn't worry you horribly.  It all appears very
> superficial and minor (from the pics at least).  Or are you just
> worried about encouraging the previous owner to continue with his
> mediocre care?  You could just call him and tell him how you feel
> about the snake's condition.  It's not quite as powerful a statement
> as sending the snake back, but it might penetrate.  You could also ask
> for a partial refund, as the snake was not as promised.  And I would
> definitely email him the picture of the scar that he never noticed.

Oh yeah I let him know how I felt. He claims he didnt see the scars..
and has only had the snake since March. Said he bought it at a show in
TN. So it sounds like either he didn't hold this guy enough to notice
and probably got taken, or is lying to me, but I think the first one
is more accurate. I'm pretty sure this guy is WC.. one thing that bugs
me is I've always heard BRBs were fast-striking feeders, but this guy
just sniffs then mouths his food-no striking or constricting or
anything. Its like his spirit has been broken-UNTIL I try and take him
out, then he's a little monster! (had to move him to clean and I'm
glad I clean wearing***gloves)

Quote:
> Chip up Cat.  Other people suck and will continue to do so.  Not much
> you can do about that.  Just take pleasure in the fact that the
> critters are being taken care of now.

> -Z

Yeah, I'm hoping this poor guy shapes up with the care he has here..
his skin looks better today (less shed stuck to him) and he has a
little more gusto (hence the cage cleaning comment above) whereas
yesterday when he got here, he didn't have much of a care.

-cat

 
 
 

snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Zetekitox » Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:00:46


Quote:

> is more accurate. I'm pretty sure this guy is WC.. one thing that bugs
> me is I've always heard BRBs were fast-striking feeders, but this guy
> just sniffs then mouths his food-no striking or constricting or
> anything. Its like his spirit has been broken-UNTIL I try and take him
> out, then he's a little monster! (had to move him to clean and I'm
> glad I clean wearing***gloves)

I've dealt with many a Rainbow Boa that was a docile eater.  I had one
in particular where I could lay a dead rodent in the tank and the
snake would just mosey over and start eating without ever striking or
constricting.  The others liked to be tease fed, but would constrict
almost leisurely.
Your snakes feeding behavior would seem to argue in favor of it being
CB.  WC tend to have a more aggressive feeding response.  It's
possible he freaks out with handling because he's never been handled,
or only been handled roughly.

When I was at the zoo we had another keeper who was afraid of snakes
(!!!!!), although he would never admit it, as he liked to believe he
was the Crocodile Hunter.  He was in charge of some fairly strikey
Puerto Rican Boas (Epicrates inornata).  We used hooks to handle them,
but this guy would pretty much manhandle them and practically toss
them from their cages to their holding containers when he needed to
clean.  By the time Crocodile Hunter left and I took over care of
these beauts, they were striking at anyone that opened their cage and
generally freaking out when a hook came near them.  After a few months
of slow and careful hooking they calmed down to the point where I
could use just one hook and tail them with the other hand.  They would
still occasionally strike, but were so much more manageable that it
simply amazed me.  Their offspring, who were under the care of our
very gentle amphibian keeper, eventually reached a point where they
could be *carefully* handled without hooks, although they did
occasionally still try to bite.

Kinda long-winded, but my point is that snakes that are roughly
handled get really wacky about being picked up.  I'm sure yours will
be easier to calm than the PRBs were, mostly because BRBs are usually
such docile creatures to begin with, while PRBs definitely are not!
Good luck!

-Z

 
 
 

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Post by c1c0 » Mon, 21 Apr 2003 16:34:46


 My grump with these two is not only does the

Quote:
> female not eat well, but I have to hold a syringe full of water up to
> her to get her to drink anything :( She refuses to leave the hide,
> defecates in it and everything.

Until she doesn't look dehydrated don't forcefeed her the water. I have a
snake that I never see drink anything but she does well. Forcefeeding her
with the syringe is another stress factor.

Anna

 
 
 

snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Cat Oliv » Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:31:40


Quote:

> My grump with these two is not only does the
> > female not eat well, but I have to hold a syringe full of water up to
> > her to get her to drink anything :( She refuses to leave the hide,
> > defecates in it and everything.

> Until she doesn't look dehydrated don't forcefeed her the water. I have a
> snake that I never see drink anything but she does well. Forcefeeding her
> with the syringe is another stress factor.

> Anna

Oh, I don't force-feed her water, I just hold it up to her and she
drinks out of it. I've never seen her drink out of her water dish.

-cat

 
 
 

snakes going off-feed and other issues.. (long)

Post by Cat Oliv » Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:01:09


Quote:


> > is more accurate. I'm pretty sure this guy is WC.. one thing that bugs
> > me is I've always heard BRBs were fast-striking feeders, but this guy
> > just sniffs then mouths his food-no striking or constricting or
> > anything. Its like his spirit has been broken-UNTIL I try and take him
> > out, then he's a little monster! (had to move him to clean and I'm
> > glad I clean wearing***gloves)

> I've dealt with many a Rainbow Boa that was a docile eater.  I had one
> in particular where I could lay a dead rodent in the tank and the
> snake would just mosey over and start eating without ever striking or
> constricting.  The others liked to be tease fed, but would constrict
> almost leisurely.
> Your snakes feeding behavior would seem to argue in favor of it being
> CB.  WC tend to have a more aggressive feeding response.  It's
> possible he freaks out with handling because he's never been handled,
> or only been handled roughly.

> When I was at the zoo we had another keeper who was afraid of snakes
> (!!!!!), although he would never admit it, as he liked to believe he
> was the Crocodile Hunter.  He was in charge of some fairly strikey
> Puerto Rican Boas (Epicrates inornata).  We used hooks to handle them,
> but this guy would pretty much manhandle them and practically toss
> them from their cages to their holding containers when he needed to
> clean.  By the time Crocodile Hunter left and I took over care of
> these beauts, they were striking at anyone that opened their cage and
> generally freaking out when a hook came near them.  After a few months
> of slow and careful hooking they calmed down to the point where I
> could use just one hook and tail them with the other hand.  They would
> still occasionally strike, but were so much more manageable that it
> simply amazed me.  Their offspring, who were under the care of our
> very gentle amphibian keeper, eventually reached a point where they
> could be *carefully* handled without hooks, although they did
> occasionally still try to bite.

> Kinda long-winded, but my point is that snakes that are roughly
> handled get really wacky about being picked up.  I'm sure yours will
> be easier to calm than the PRBs were, mostly because BRBs are usually
> such docile creatures to begin with, while PRBs definitely are not!
> Good luck!

> -Z

Well, I came home from the weekend and he re-arranged his tank for
me.. apparantly he likes the cooler hide right in the middle. In a few
more days, after he's taken a 2nd mouse, I'm going to start trying to
handle him. We'll see how that goes.

He really is a beauty.. good news is I found a girlie for him and she
should be here in two weeks. Then its another month or two of
quarantine for both of them, which gives me time to finish their large
semi-arboreal tank. :)

-cat