Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

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Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by fr0gle » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:34:37



I have these 6 female lep gex, all living together, that just moved into an
80g tank (after about 2 years in a 20g long).

Two of my females are considerably smaller than the other four. Shorter
length, smaller legs and heads, and slimmer tails.

They are also the two wildest - lots of scrambling around and stuff. They
are timid, to say the least.

I make sure to tong-feed the two skinny ones, and they have gained weight
(and their tails have plumped up) in the ~3 months that I've had them.

Do you think I should segregate them from the larger geckos? I really don't
want to set up another tank if they will be fine - but if their health would
benefit from being seperated then I will.

Opinions?

tia
fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by Tae Ki » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:57:22


from what I understand, ***s with more than 1 inch of difference in their
total length are recommended to be seperated (it said babies and juveniles
with 1/2 inch segregated, also)...
your 2 females might still be juvniles or sub-*** size, they tend to be
skittish a lot, at least comparatively to the ***s... I was able to keep a
juvenile female with a sub-*** couple, there was only about 1/2 inch of
difference... although she (the albino) used to be really skittish when I
started, she is now really calm, and tends to show more interest in me than
the others even...
IMO if you feel that they aren't being harried too much, and you feel that
they will grow to fit the others soon, you could probably leave them in
there... but I'd seperate them if I see signs of harrassment from the larger
ones... (well, in my experience, my two sub-***s were nicer towards the
smaller albino than her to teh couple... she used to be really nippy when
she first arrived...)
hope this helps!!!


Quote:
> I have these 6 female lep gex, all living together, that just moved into
an
> 80g tank (after about 2 years in a 20g long).

> Two of my females are considerably smaller than the other four. Shorter
> length, smaller legs and heads, and slimmer tails.

> They are also the two wildest - lots of scrambling around and stuff. They
> are timid, to say the least.

> I make sure to tong-feed the two skinny ones, and they have gained weight
> (and their tails have plumped up) in the ~3 months that I've had them.

> Do you think I should segregate them from the larger geckos? I really
don't
> want to set up another tank if they will be fine - but if their health
would
> benefit from being seperated then I will.

> Opinions?

> tia
> fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by Kiz » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:12:48


I've never owned leopard geckos, but I'd think any lizards that small would
do fine in a tank that size!  Do you have branches and stuff for them to
hide in/behind?  If the bigger ones can't see the little ones, maybe they
won't pick on them.  But if you're really worried, just buy a piece of wood
or plastic to section off a part of the cage.

Ah, well.  I think this cold is affecting my brain, so don't pay too much
attention to what I say this week.  :-)

Jennifer

P.S.  Did you ever find those issues of Reptiles?
--
http://home1.gte.net/res08kg0


Quote:
> I have these 6 female lep gex, all living together, that just moved into
an
> 80g tank (after about 2 years in a 20g long).

> Two of my females are considerably smaller than the other four. Shorter
> length, smaller legs and heads, and slimmer tails.

> They are also the two wildest - lots of scrambling around and stuff. They
> are timid, to say the least.

> I make sure to tong-feed the two skinny ones, and they have gained weight
> (and their tails have plumped up) in the ~3 months that I've had them.

> Do you think I should segregate them from the larger geckos? I really
don't
> want to set up another tank if they will be fine - but if their health
would
> benefit from being seperated then I will.

> Opinions?

> tia
> fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by fr0gle » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:48:44


Quote:

> > I have these 6 female lep gex, all living together, that just moved into
> > 80g tank (after about 2 years in a 20g long).

> > Two of my females are considerably smaller than the other four. Shorter
> > length, smaller legs and heads, and slimmer tails.

.snip.

Quote:

> I've never owned leopard geckos, but I'd think any lizards that small
> do fine in a tank that size!  Do you have branches and stuff for them to
> hide in/behind?

I have 5 moist hides and 2 dry hides - also some basking rocks - but no
foliage. They can all completely hide from me at the same time, though :)

Quote:
> If the bigger ones can't see the little ones, maybe they
> won't pick on them.

The larger females don't act aggressively to the smaller. The male did - and
has been segregated for about 6 weeks. He's gained weight - perhaps the
smaller ones could get more bulk with more space of their own.

Quote:
> Ah, well.  I think this cold is affecting my brain, so don't pay too much
> attention to what I say this week.  :-)

Zinc! C! H20! Quick!

Quote:
> P.S.  Did you ever find those issues of Reptiles?

No :( I work nearly all the hours my local library is open. I have other
excuses as well, available upon request. Mainly because I can't find them
online. *sob* Lots of various other vivarium resources on the net are
keeping me busy.

Thanks & hope you feel better!

fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by fr0gle » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:52:51


Quote:

> from what I understand, ***s with more than 1 inch of difference in
their
> total length are recommended to be seperated

That's a reasonable estimate of the length difference here, sounds like a
relevant tip. Know where I can read about that?

Quote:
> your 2 females might still be juvniles or sub-*** size, they tend to be
> skittish a lot, at least comparatively to the ***s...

That would explain a lot :)

Quote:
> IMO if you feel that they aren't being harried too much, and you feel that
> they will grow to fit the others soon, you could probably leave them in
> there... but I'd seperate them if I see signs of harrassment from the
larger
> ones...

I'll watch behaviour for a while - they have only been in this nice long 80g
for 10 days.

Quote:
> (well, in my experience, my two sub-***s were nicer towards the
> smaller albino than her to teh couple... she used to be really nippy when
> she first arrived...)

My male was pretty nippy. He just does ridiculous dances for me now. He's
all twitchy and attempts something along the lines of a tail-thwap when I
touch him. He's quite pale - and needs spectacles.

Thanks for the info!
fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by Tae Ki » Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:06:26


I was looking through a bunch of websites, trying to find exactly where I
might've read the size difference info, and then remembered that it was told
to me by both the breeder I bought these from and the vet I took my loe's to
get checked out at...
The reason my I was talking to my breeder about it was because I was buying
a 'raised together almost *** couple' and an albino female from a batch of
hatchlings that were younger and a bit smaller than the aforementioned
couple.  I had also talked in length about potential babies with the vet
when I had taken my leos in, and he actually seemed to know about them quite
well, having tended to a 30g leo tank in one of the clinic's rooms.  He had
said that in large operations, it is necessary to sort the babies every so
often by size (as well as ones with evil temperament).  I'm sure I could've
read elsewhere on the net about this, but these above two sources was where
I first got the info... if I run into the article again, I'll let you know.

I've read in many places that juveniles tend to be very skittish, and have
experienced that myself at least with the albino female... she was the
smallest of them three, and for the longest time she had a thin tale
compared to the other two... from what I understand now, leo's gain in
length first and then put on girth, and now she's definitely gaining... her
tail used to be about half as thick as the others, but now its at least 3/4,
if not getting to the same size... oh yeah, as a sidebar, I've heard that
babies actually squeak when they're scared and run away from you as fast as
they can, even more so skittish than the juvies...

also on a tangent, my friends think I'm delusional, but I swear I can tell
the difference between the 'couple'... they're both double het for
patternless and albino, and they have very similar coloration and
just-weird-enough-to-be-qualified-as-weird spottings, but whenever I look,
the male just looks like a male, and the female like a female... (ach, I'm
not trying to be sexist or anything, so don't get me wrong)  where my
friends jsut see two very same looking geckos until you lift them up and see
the bulges (or lack of them), I can immediately pick out male or female.
maybe someday I'll look for pics online to see if I can tell they're male or
female, and see how I do on that...

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by fr0gle » Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:17:43


Quote:

> then remembered that it was told
> to me by both the breeder I bought these from and the vet I took my loe's
to
> get checked out at...

Well, a breeder and a vet are definately more reliable resource information
than 1/2 the stuff on the internet :)

Quote:
> I've read in many places that juveniles tend to be very skittish, and have
> experienced that myself at least with the albino female... she was the
> smallest of them three, and for the longest time she had a thin tale
> compared to the other two...

This definately helps me understand the behaviour I've been seeing - it's
definately my skinny slender girls who don't want to be held and run around
wildly if I open the lid without whispering to them first.

Quote:
> babies actually squeak when they're scared and run away from you as fast
as
> they can, even more so skittish than the juvies...

I've actually generated a squeak out of my little girl 1 time - she wasn't
very happy with me checking her undersides :) However, I've only been bitten
by my male, and only when he was feeding.

Quote:
> also on a tangent, my friends think I'm delusional, but I swear I can tell
> the difference between the 'couple'... they're both double het for
> patternless and albino, and they have very similar coloration and
> just-weird-enough-to-be-qualified-as-weird spottings, but whenever I look,
> the male just looks like a male, and the female like a female... (ach, I'm

Of the 7 I have, 2 look VERY similar (probably from the same clutch) - but I
can easily tell all of them apart now. Took me a while, but I've got it :) I
can really see the male differences too - bulging hemipenes and wide head,
stockier body. I have yet to turn him over to look at his pores - I don't
want him to feel violated.

Your gex sound beautiful! I want to see pics :)

fr0glet

 
 
 

Should I segregate my smaller lep gex?

Post by Spide » Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:05:44


I have a novel method of checking the underside that doesn't seem to bother
them.
I made a moisture hide from a transparent takeaway box, cut a hole in the
side and used a short piece of 40mm tubing as the entrance tunnel.
Most of the box has been painted (non toxic paint of course) to enable the
leo to hide, but the bottom is still transparent.
Get the idea? Lift the box out of the vivarium, gently move around the moist
hide substrate so you can see straight through from underneath.

Another method I've used is to shoo the leo onto a piece of glass / perspex,
then cover him/her up with an inverted plastic box. Again you can hold this
up above your head and look up at the leos underside.

Once they get to 2yrs old, they dont mind being touched as much so long as
you don't scare them. I shake the cricket feeding tub (with crix inside) and
all my leos know this means feeding time (or checkout time) and they all
leave their hides and come to the front of the vivarium !

--
TonyM
www.amanton.co.uk

1.2.1 Leopard Geckos

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Quote:

> > then remembered that it was told
> > to me by both the breeder I bought these from and the vet I took my
loe's
> to
> > get checked out at...

> Well, a breeder and a vet are definately more reliable resource
information
> than 1/2 the stuff on the internet :)

> > I've read in many places that juveniles tend to be very skittish, and
have
> > experienced that myself at least with the albino female... she was the
> > smallest of them three, and for the longest time she had a thin tale
> > compared to the other two...

> This definately helps me understand the behaviour I've been seeing - it's
> definately my skinny slender girls who don't want to be held and run
around
> wildly if I open the lid without whispering to them first.

> > babies actually squeak when they're scared and run away from you as fast
> as
> > they can, even more so skittish than the juvies...

> I've actually generated a squeak out of my little girl 1 time - she wasn't
> very happy with me checking her undersides :) However, I've only been
bitten
> by my male, and only when he was feeding.

> > also on a tangent, my friends think I'm delusional, but I swear I can
tell
> > the difference between the 'couple'... they're both double het for
> > patternless and albino, and they have very similar coloration and
> > just-weird-enough-to-be-qualified-as-weird spottings, but whenever I
look,
> > the male just looks like a male, and the female like a female... (ach,
I'm

> Of the 7 I have, 2 look VERY similar (probably from the same clutch) - but
I
> can easily tell all of them apart now. Took me a while, but I've got it :)
I
> can really see the male differences too - bulging hemipenes and wide head,
> stockier body. I have yet to turn him over to look at his pores - I don't
> want him to feel violated.

> Your gex sound beautiful! I want to see pics :)

> fr0glet