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release into the wild?

Post by K » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:38:15



well, my brown snake still won't eat. i'm at my wits end.  initially, i
tried red worms, earthworms, and larva at various times in various ways and
had no success with any of them.  i decided to just leave him alone for
about a week to let him acclimate and get hungry.  after the week was up, i
tried again, and he did finally eat a redworm.  however, it's been another
week, and he'll still eat neither redworms nor whatever type of larva i
found.  i dug and dug but couldn't find any earthworms to try for some
reason.

anyway, it's been two weeks with hardly any food (it seems i should feed 2-3
times a week), and i'm worried i'm hurting him by not being able to feed
him.

i live by some woods in the southeastern US.  would it be cruel to release
him there?  maybe he'd have a better go at things on his own?  i guess
that's where he'd be if not in captivity anyway, right?

Thanks.
--K

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release into the wild?

Post by Roger Hel » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:58:52


Did you catch this snake from your area? Or did you buy it from a pet
store? If you did not catch it locally, do not release it into the wild.
If it ate the one worm, keep on trying. It should eat again. Put it in a
small container alone with the worm & leave them alone. Feed late at
night. Does he have a hide box? Is he big enough to try nightcrawlers?
Try  many different combinations before you give up. Scratch
that....never give up! If you did buy it, you learned a valuable lesson.
Never buy a reptile from a pet store without first seeing it eat. I hope
he eats again for you, and again & again! Good luck!

Roger

 
 
 

release into the wild?

Post by K » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:33:39


Quote:
>> Did you catch this snake from your area? Or did you buy it from a pet
>> store? If you did not catch it locally, do not release it into the wild.

well, i think the pet store caught it locally.  (the pet store is about 40
mins from me.  it wouldn't be the same exact woods, but it would be the same
climate, etc.)

Quote:
>> If it ate the one worm, keep on trying. It should eat again.

i hope so, but is it starving in the meantime?  i am leaving tomorrow until
sunday.  will it be okay till then?

Quote:
>> Put it in a
>> small container alone with the worm & leave them alone.

haven't tried that yet, thanks.

Quote:
>> Does he have a hide box?

well, sort-of.  i put one in there, but he never used it.  he likes to hide
under the aspen shavings all throughout the enclosure.  at some point, i
turned the hide-box upside down to put the snake and worm in it (sort of
like what you suggested above for feeding, but it didn't work b/c the snake
squirmed out first thing. i didn't keep trying b/c he seemed so disturbed to
have been put in there. anyway, next time i'll use a top.), and i just took
the hide box out at that point.  wouldn't be hard to put it back in though.

Quote:
>> Is he big enough to try nightcrawlers?

i have no idea.  he's a little thicker than a pencil at his widest and about
12 inches long.  his head's about half the size of a smallish fingernail.

Quote:
>> If you did buy it, you learned a valuable lesson.
>> Never buy a reptile from a pet store without first seeing it eat.

yeah, this is exasperating.

Quote:
>> I hope he eats again for you, and again & again! Good luck!

me too, thanks.

also, on the topic of problem solving... i do not have a uv fluorescent
light.  would that help?

thanks again.

--K

 
 
 

release into the wild?

Post by K » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:09:47


Quote:
> >> Does he have a hide box?

> well, sort-of.  i put one in there, but he never used it.  he likes to
hide
> under the aspen shavings all throughout the enclosure.  at some point, i
> turned the hide-box upside down to put the snake and worm in it (sort of
> like what you suggested above for feeding, but it didn't work b/c the
snake
> squirmed out first thing. i didn't keep trying b/c he seemed so disturbed
to
> have been put in there. anyway, next time i'll use a top.), and i just
took
> the hide box out at that point.  wouldn't be hard to put it back in

though.

decided not to use the old hide box.  just made a long one out of the narrow
side of a cereal box.  that way part of it can be near the heated side of
the cage, and part of it can be near the cooler side.  (i'm using one of
those under-aquarium heating pads and have a carpet thing in the aquarium
under the aspen.)

 
 
 

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Post by Chris McMarti » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:42:44



Quote:
> decided not to use the old hide box.  just made a long one out of the
narrow
> side of a cereal box.  that way part of it can be near the heated side of
> the cage, and part of it can be near the cooler side.  (i'm using one of
> those under-aquarium heating pads and have a carpet thing in the aquarium
> under the aspen.)

I don't think aspen is your best choice for bedding for a brown snake.  How
big is the water bowl?  Make sure it's big enough for the snake to soak in
(these snakes are often found near water, and will even use it as a means of
escape--swimming away).  You might want to try coconut fiber (Bed-a-Beast,
et al) for bedding, to keep the humidity up.  Also, for the hide, I wouldn't
even make a "box;" I'd just lay a piece of cardboard in the enclosure--the
snake will crawl underneath, and the tight squeeze will make it feel more
secure.

I also agree that you shouldn't release it into the wild.  The snake's
chances of survival are only marginally better, if not worse (predation,
getting run over, disease, etc), and you might be introducing pathogens to
the local population.
--
Chris
http://www.mcmartinville.com

 
 
 

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Post by K » Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:54:58



Quote:
> I don't think aspen is your best choice for bedding for a brown snake.
> You might want to try coconut fiber (Bed-a-Beast, et al) for bedding, to

keep the humidity up.

I was only using aspen b/c the pet store said he was too small for other
stuff.  I think they said something about him being more likely to get
caught up on soemthing in the bedding since he's so small.  I hate using the
aspen, though, b/c I keep the aquarium on a bookshelf in the living room,
and the aspen's pretty ugly.  I'll try out bed-a-beast when i get back from
my trip.

Quote:
> How
> big is the water bowl?  Make sure it's big enough for the snake to soak in
> (these snakes are often found near water, and will even use it as a means
of
> escape--swimming away).

I just put a bigger one in there now.  He's pretty tiny (I looked at him
again after I posted that he's apprx 12 inches, and he's just not that long.
maybe btwn 8-10.), so I had smallish bowl in there that he could easily fit
in if he curled up like he doed while resting.  Anyway, now it's the bottom
of a cool whip container.  Also, the water bowl is NOT over the
under-aquarium heater, so the water's not warm.  is that okay?  (i think i
read somewhere to arrange as such.)

Quote:
> Also, for the hide, I wouldn't
> even make a "box;" I'd just lay a piece of cardboard in the enclosure--the
> snake will crawl underneath, and the tight squeeze will make it feel more
> secure.

left the hide-box in, but did as you suggested with the cardboard as well.

Quote:
> you might be introducing pathogens to the local population.

yuck!  that would be terrible.

Thanks for the help!
--K

 
 
 

release into the wild?

Post by Roger Hel » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:36:33


You don't need any special lights. Try nightcrawlers from any local bait
shop. They are usually refrigerated, so be sure they are at room
temperature before offering the snake one. Sounds like he is big enough
for a nightcrawler. I would get rid of the aspen until he gets
acclimated a bit more. I have kept them for a few weeks on plain
newspaper with a hide box & water bowl. If you can, do this before you
leave for the weekend. Hopefully the nightcrawler will be gone when you
return! Be sure he stays warm...at least 75 or a bit more.
I wouldn't release him unless you know exactly where he came from, and
could take him back home. Most would say not even then.

Good luck!

Roger

 
 
 

release into the wild?

Post by Roger Hel » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:43:17


Good....you have a heater.....be sure to NOT place the hide box over the
heater! Those things build up heat fast sometimes. Always good to use a
rheostat too. If the carpet is full tank size, that should be enough
substrate until you get him eating well. Aything the worm can't hide in.
Or feed him in a seperate bare container.

Roger

 
 
 

release into the wild?

Post by Cind » Fri, 30 Apr 2004 04:15:39


Quote:

>>> Is he big enough to try nightcrawlers?

> i have no idea.  he's a little thicker than a pencil at his widest
> and about 12 inches long.  his head's about half the size of a
> smallish fingernail.

You could cut the nightcrawler in half.

Cindy