Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

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Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by Peter War » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00



           Could you please help me . A friend of mine has a collection of
reptiles . One of them a red tailed Boa had trouble with constapation . A
Vet here in Cork Ireland gave him a Antibotic which did not work. TheVet
sent a Stool sample to the UK. to get it analised. The result was that the
snake had an infestation of worms . The Vet told my friend that he should
get all his stock dosed against these worms . this he did and the Vet
injected all his lizards with IVOMEC this was on Friday the 20/2/98 at 5pm
since then 2 lizards a Bearded Dragon and a Pinktongued Skink , 3 Snakes a
Mexican Milk Snake, Mexican Black Kingsnake and a Albino Corn Snake all 97
hatchlings have died. The rest look as if they are about to follow.
           Could you tell me if there is anything that i can do to save the
rest as my friend is not long in reptiles and loves them all verry much. He
has kept them in the Best Of Health but they are dieing before his eyes
Please HELP
                        Peter  

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by Erika und Pete » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Peter Ward schrieb:

Quote:
>            Could you please help me . A friend of mine has a collection of
> reptiles . One of them a red tailed Boa had trouble with constapation . A
> Vet here in Cork Ireland gave him a Antibotic which did not work. TheVet
> sent a Stool sample to the UK. to get it analised. The result was that the
> snake had an infestation of worms .

Yes, constapation often is a result of a worm infestation.

Quote:
> The Vet told my friend that he should
> get all his stock dosed against these worms.
> . this he did and the Vet
> injected all his lizards with IVOMEC

Did the vet tell your friend what kind of worms they have found?  I wonder that
he gave Ivomec, this is a medicament given to reptiles against  tongue worms
overhere. A treatment with Ivomec has a lot of riscs and needs a very exact
dose. And why did the vet give it to the lizards and all the other snakes? Did
they show the same symptoms? As a prophylactic you should only use
Panacur(Fenbendazol) which is really a very soft medicament and it even can be
overdosed. And: it works very good! Ivomec should only be given in acute cases
when it is for sure that the reptile will probably die without it.

Quote:
> this was on Friday the 20/2/98 at 5pm
> since then 2 lizards a Bearded Dragon and a Pinktongued Skink , 3 Snakes a
> Mexican Milk Snake, Mexican Black Kingsnake and a Albino Corn Snake all 97
> hatchlings have died. The rest look as if they are about to follow.

I' afraid that the vet has overdosed the Ivomec. I for myself don't want to
fill up the dose for such small hatchlings.

Peter

Quote:
>            Could you tell me if there is anything that i can do to save the
> rest as my friend is not long in reptiles and loves them all verry much. He
> has kept them in the Best Of Health but they are dieing before his eyes
> Please HELP
>                         Peter

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by Kevin-NER » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>            Could you please help me . A friend of mine has a collection of
> reptiles . One of them a red tailed Boa had trouble with constapation . A
> Vet here in Cork Ireland gave him a Antibotic which did not work. TheVet
> sent a Stool sample to the UK. to get it analised. The result was that the
> snake had an infestation of worms . The Vet told my friend that he should
> get all his stock dosed against these worms . this he did and the Vet
> injected all his lizards with IVOMEC this was on Friday the 20/2/98 at 5pm
> since then 2 lizards a Bearded Dragon and a Pinktongued Skink , 3 Snakes a
> Mexican Milk Snake, Mexican Black Kingsnake and a Albino Corn Snake all 97
> hatchlings have died. The rest look as if they are about to follow.
>            Could you tell me if there is anything that i can do to save the
> rest as my friend is not long in reptiles and loves them all verry much. He
> has kept them in the Best Of Health but they are dieing before his eyes
> Please HELP
>                         Peter

Peter, ***administration of water would be your first choice, super
hydration may help. - Kev

Helps clean the system out.

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by WngdWolf » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00



writes:

Quote:
> Could you tell me if there is anything that i can do to save the
>rest as my friend is not long in reptiles and loves them all verry much. He
>has kept them in the Best Of Health but they are dieing before his eyes
>Please HELP
>                        Peter  

The vet overdosed them, if this many are dying.  There could be legal action
taken if he wishes to take it.

--Winged Wolf
the were/psion

Psion Guild
http://members.aol.com/psion425/Guild.html

 
 
 

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Post by Gala » Tue, 24 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>The vet overdosed them, if this many are dying.  There could be legal action
>taken if he wishes to take it.

My God, give me a break!!  So now you are telling him to sue the vet.  Get
serious!!  Will not happen.  IVOMEC is a very dangerous drug to use.  It should
only be used as a last ditch effort or by someone who KNOWS what they are
doing.  Little too much kills and not enough do no good.

PETER-
Sorry to tell you this but your friend is going to sit and watch most of all
his reptiles die.  Not much is any thing can be done with an IVOMEC overdose.

 
 
 

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Post by EJ Wise » Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>PETER-
>Sorry to tell you this but your friend is going to sit and watch most of all
>his reptiles die.  Not much is any thing can be done with an IVOMEC overdose.

Hate to say it too, but I agree, the rest of the animals are toast.  Definetly
sounds like they were overdosed.  He probably shouldn't have given all the
herps in the entire collection ivomec.  Worms are a bad thing, but they weren't
necessarily transmitted from the snake to the lizards.  They should have been
tested before empirically treating.  Sue the vet?  No way to prove anything.
Unless you draw *** levels on the animals and prove that the ivomec levels
are toxic and that they're not simply dying from some random infection.

Anyway that's my 2 cents worth.

Jon Wiser

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by WngdWolf » Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
(Galap5) writes:
>My God, give me a break!!  So now you are telling him to sue the vet.  Get
>serious!!  Will not happen.  IVOMEC is a very dangerous drug to use.  It
>should
>only be used as a last ditch effort or by someone who KNOWS what they are
>doing.  Little too much kills and not enough do no good.

>PETER-

That is EXACTLY why the vet should not have administered it--and certainly not
without telling the owner there were risks!

--Winged Wolf
the were/psion

Psion Guild
http://members.aol.com/psion425/Guild.html

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by Dustin Porte » Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Has anyone heard of giving the herp mineral oil to help constipation?
Thanks
Dustin

Quote:
>Peter, ***administration of water would be your first choice, super
>hydration may help. - Kev

>Helps clean the system out.

 
 
 

Help Reptiles Dying after Injecting with IVOMEC

Post by SlimmSna » Fri, 06 Mar 1998 04:00:00


I agree with the previous posts... the animals were probably overdosed. There
is not much you can do after the fact.

When your friend starts up his reptile collection again after this is over, he
definitely needs to find another vet!!! If you do not want to go through the
trouble of  taking legal action against the vet, some tactful letters detailing
the situation to him or her and other "reptile" vets in the area might at least
 make that vet and others a little more cautious in the future.

It is also wise to get second and third opinions on *** and dosages before
allowing an entire collection to be tampered with!