Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

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Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

Post by Dr. Barbara Horwi » Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:22:43



I remember vaguely this discussion glancing by at a former time but I
think some good points are being made and getting lost as they're
intersperced on the 'quitting lists' thread so I'm taking the liberty of
separating it out.

I am a 'bad example',  as the breeding and showing of dogs has been a
life's vocation for me and so it's been a primary budget item for over
twenty years and I do not have a husband or children,  and I do have a
paidup very old house,  so I have a bit more leeway than some people.
So I don't 'matter' in a discussion like this except to say that one,
I will approve treatment until IMO it hits the point of clearly
diminishing returns and also,  I want to note that I think in some
instances of euthanasia decisions we're a lot kinder, in veterinary
medicine,  than we are in human medicine.

Someone,   maybe it was Sarah and maybe not......my memory is fuzzy on
this....made the point that at one time in her life she took in an
animal she could not afford to treat because it was a choice of giving
that animal a good life for as long as it lived versus it not having any
life at all.    Could well have been someone else.

I also agree with ReptileHealer that you have to be able to afford to
have a pet to keep a pet.

But where is the middle range?   I think we all have to decide that,
in terms of our individual budgets,   other family members,   and
necessary priorities.   I don't think anyone can 'chop' anyone because
they're ready to bite for a $200 bill but not a $500,   or a $500 but
not a $2000.     And I never would condemn anyone who had $100 to spend,
or less,  but was 'saving' an animal he or she would treat with loving
care vet bills notwithstanding,  meetable or not.

Today,  in the Philadelphia area,  the Emergency Clinics,  God bless
them,  the 24 hour open ones,   the very few,  are minimum $300
walkins.......that's if your dog gets hit on the road at midnight.

(Though why he should get hit on the road is another matter entirely,
at any hour.)

In the big cities,  most vets won't let you 'pay it off',   like doctors
and dentists they have little signs,  no billing,  pay for services as
rendered.   Good reasons for that....take it from one who knows too
well.    My vet has been 'stuck' with five cats this year so far.
Price got too high,  owner figured vet wouldn't kill the animal, so,
disappeared;   I guess he/she thought that decision was in the
best-but-necessary class of choice.

I've gone on too long.

All I'm saying is that I would not think I could decide how much money a
person had to have to have a pet,  in good conscience.

If this thread is worth weaving,  here it is.

 
 
 

Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

Post by Cind » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:31:49


Quote:

> All I'm saying is that I would not think I could decide how much
> money a person had to have to have a pet,  in good conscience.

> If this thread is worth weaving,  here it is.

I agree completely.

And at the risk of getting yelled at, I would be unable and unwilling to pay
humongous vet bills at the expense of my family.  Buying groceries for the
kids and paying the utilities come first.

I also would take into consideration which animal needed vet care.  My
17-year-old Columbian boa that I raised from a hatchling, for example, would
get a lot higher priority than the $15 savannah monitor I bought the other
day or the rosy boas that I've had for  5 years.

Cindy

 
 
 

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Post by Cind » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:04:11


Quote:

> What do you consider a reasonable amount to spend on a sick pet?

I have spent two thousand on my cat in the past two or three years, and
I'm about ready to pack it in.  If she gets sick again I am going to have
to seriously consider putting her down.  If I knew what was wrong I could
budget for it, but so far all the tests keep coming up negative.  The vet
says that something is compromising her immune system, but he doesn't know
what.  I will probably try a different vet before I finally break down.
But then, we are doing all right financially... there were plenty of times
in my life where I couldn't have gone this far for a pet.  I almost put
her down last time, but we went for one more surgery and she has been
healthy for ten months now... knock on wood.

--
Dawn Albright

I took the liberty of moving this post from the "quitting lists" thread.

Sorry, but I wouldn't spend this much on a cat.  Just couldn't afford it.  A
dog, probably, if it were my Great Dane.  I love that boy.  But I don't get
much attached to cats.  I enjoy them, I like them, but I wouldn't go into
debt for one.

I also have the same problem that Zetekitoxin does, in that my husband
dislikes my herps, and tolerates them only because he loves me, though he
told me just a couple days ago that if any more come into the house, we're
"going to have a problem."

He's also allergic to cats AND dogs.  We have dogs because he loves them and
is willing to tolerate the itching, but he won't go for a cat at all if it
has to live in the house, which it would here in the city.  (On the farm in
Montana, we had three cats, but only one of them came in the house, and only
occasionally, and only because the baby loved him so much.)  He'd have a fit
if I spent $500 on any of these animals, though I have no doubt he'd go to
the wall for the dogs.  There I would have to step in if it got too much.

Cindy

 
 
 

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Post by Zetekitoxi » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:56:23


Quote:

> I also have the same problem that Zetekitoxin does, in that my husband
> dislikes my herps, and tolerates them only because he loves me, though he
> told me just a couple days ago that if any more come into the house, we're
> "going to have a problem."

Actually, he likes the lizards and just hates the cats.  Of course, he can't
see the point in spending money on any of them if they get sick.  To his
credit he also doesn't see the point of taking *himself* to the doctor if
he gets sick.  And Dr. visits are free for him!  "Get better or die trying"
seems to be his motto.

-Z

 
 
 

Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

Post by Cind » Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:55:46


Quote:


>> I also have the same problem that Zetekitoxin does, in that my
>> husband dislikes my herps, and tolerates them only because he loves
>> me, though he told me just a couple days ago that if any more come
>> into the house, we're "going to have a problem."

> Actually, he likes the lizards and just hates the cats.  Of course,
> he can't see the point in spending money on any of them if they get
> sick.  To his credit he also doesn't see the point of taking
> *himself* to the doctor if he gets sick.  And Dr. visits are free for
> him!  "Get better or die trying" seems to be his motto.

> -Z

Hehheh mine too.  He once waited until a sinus infection was practically
into his brain before going for antibiotics.  "I won't let the pain control
me."  Sometimes I call him "Arnold."
:(
Cindy
 
 
 

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Post by fr0gle » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:06:00



Quote:


>>> I also have the same problem that Zetekitoxin does, in that my
>>> husband dislikes my herps, and tolerates them only because he loves

>> Actually, he likes the lizards and just hates the cats.  Of course,
>> he can't see the point in spending money on any of them if they get
>> sick.  To his credit he also doesn't see the point of taking
>> *himself* to the doctor if he gets sick.  And Dr. visits are free for
>> him!  "Get better or die trying" seems to be his motto.

> Hehheh mine too.  He once waited until a sinus infection was
> practically into his brain before going for antibiotics.  "I won't
> let the pain control me."  Sometimes I call him "Arnold."
> :(
> Cindy

Wow, you ladies make me thankful at the very least that my husband is
malleable. I say "doctor!!" and he says "what time did you make my
appointment for?" :)

fr0glet

 
 
 

Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

Post by Chaosmag » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:38:58



Quote:
> > All I'm saying is that I would not think I could decide how much
> > money a person had to have to have a pet,  in good conscience.
> > If this thread is worth weaving,  here it is.

> I agree completely.

> And at the risk of getting yelled at, I would be unable and unwilling to
pay
> humongous vet bills at the expense of my family.  Buying groceries for the
> kids and paying the utilities come first.

> I also would take into consideration which animal needed vet care.  My
> 17-year-old Columbian boa that I raised from a hatchling, for example,
would
> get a lot higher priority than the $15 savannah monitor I bought the other
> day or the rosy boas that I've had for  5 years.

> Cindy

What I spend on vet bills takes into consideration our financial position
and the overall condition of the pet.  While I was unemployed, the vet would
happen, hell, we spent over $500 within a couple months on Sorath and
Attila, but much more than that would have been un-doable at the time.  With
Attila's illness, we were more than willing to spend for surgery, but we
discussed with the vet at length about prognosis and his probability of
having a good life with minimal pain: if I was going to put him through
surgery, I didn't want to do it if he was just going to live the rest of a
short life in pain, but I was fine if it was just going to be a brief period
with the pain, and after that he would be OK.

On the other hand, if it was thousands instead of hundreds, we can't afford
that, period, and I won't put us into that much financial crisis over a pet.

Chaosmage

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Post by Grainne Gillespi » Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:45:05


Isn't it possible to get insurance for pets in the US? In Ireland it costs
the monthly equivalent of $5 for a cat and $10 for a dog.

And there's a company in England who insure reptiles

 
 
 

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Post by Dr. Barbara Horwi » Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:01:28


Yes,  it is possible to get insurance for pets in US but it's way more
expensive than that for dogs and if you had a bunch of dogs like I do
it'd be just outta sight and also,  maybe worst,   some vets and clinics
accept it and many do not,  and some specify carefully what would  be
covered and what is excluded.    It seemed like it might be a decent
deal for the owner of a single pet here who happened to use one of the
affiliated clinics and had a lawyer handy to explain the fine print.

It's a great idea but without major revisions in this country it's not
going to be the answer to getting pets treated.

 
 
 

Making a new thread......spending on sick pets

Post by Chaosmag » Mon, 17 Nov 2003 13:00:06



Quote:
> Isn't it possible to get insurance for pets in the US? In Ireland it costs
> the monthly equivalent of $5 for a cat and $10 for a dog.

> And there's a company in England who insure reptiles

I've looked into insurance before.  Outside of the rare terrible accident or
disease, I honestly believe that socking away some cash in the bank is
usually a better deal for taking care of the usual ailments then insurance,
with the price of health coverage anymore, whether for pets or people. Of
course, that excludes the catastrophic illnesses, but for pets, I believe
the health care process would probably be perceived by the pet as being
closer to torture than to care. Especially since they don't make tylenol for
lizards.  I just have a hard time understanding that one.  No pain-killers
for lizards. Don't pet lizards deserve painkillers also? They have nerve
endings. So they know what pain is.

 The prices for health care are just unbelievable. Anyway, with four pets
now, it's cheaper just to cope with the regular prices than to pay for
health insurance on two cats and two lizards.  If it was just the insurance
it would be one thing, but the co-pays really add up to make the insurance
not worth it.

Chaosmage

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