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Interstitial cystitis diagnosis

Post by GAUBSTE » Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:32



Geez, Megan, are you working for the Kerry Campaign??  You constantly refer to
"lies", which aren't the same as opinions.  Why don't you just can it?  Just
because you don't agree with what I said doesn't mean that I'm lying.  You
still haven't answered my questions.  That by itself speaks volumes.

Quote:
>You're the one that is
>veering off course, telling lies, and making false accusations (which,
>BTW, you coveniently snipped along with the majority of my response to
>them which completely disproved your lies.)

Speaking of lies, there's #1 for you!

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>>Let's see....the
>> several cats I've had over the years
>> were fed exclusively dry foods and NEVER
>> developed a problem (not counting
>> hairballs in one of them).

>That's nice coming from someone who regularly claims that a few cats
>does not a valid example make.

What the heck are you talking about??  You must have me confused with someone
else?  There's anecdotal evidence and then there's clinical evidence.  Grade 1
preferably!  ;)

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>>Nowadays I
>> recommend feeding mostly canned,

>Uh huh. And why exactly is that? Hmmmm?

>>but in
>> the past I haven't done that and never
>> experienced a problem.

>And many have, which is regularly evidenced in posts to this newsgroup.
>And here you are, recommending feeding a canned diet as opposed to dry.

Try reading closer, Megan.  I said that in the past, I've had cats that I never
fed canned food to and they never experienced the myriad of problems that
you've experienced.  I've seen enough studies and evidence to suggest feeding
canned food along with dry.  That doesn't mean I'm disavowing the feeding of
dry cat foods (like you do).  That's what I mean when I say you like to put
words into peoples' mouths.

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>> Were you feeding them dry foods up until
>> the diagnosis was made?

>As a matter of fact, yes.

AH HA!!  Which dry foods were you feeding?? (c'mon, be honest, now!)

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> If you can't see or accept the
>obvious, then you are beyond help.

Uh, hello??  I've never (thankfully) even met you before.  How in the blue in
the blue hell would I know what your history is??  You really need to get a
clue!  LOL!!

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>>I know you have
>> an anti-Hill's agenda here, Megan.

>Again, you're lying. My "agenda" is to feed cats properly so one doesn't
>have to rely on ***food passed off as a "prescription diet the cat has
>to be on for the rest of it's life." I have stated this clearly before,
>yet you continue to make these false accusations.

....and here's LIE #2 of YOURS!!  I've seen you (several times) on this ng tell
people that they don't "need" to feed Hill's Prescription Diets that are
recommended by vets.  Even your own words above, reveal your attitude!

Quote:
>>Show me what research OMH
>> has done for you to recommend their over
>> the counter foods as a treatment for IC?

>*Canned food* is recommended as part of the treatment for IC. Apparently
>you're too stupid to understand that you can't fix flaws in the
>protective layer of the bladder with a can of meat by-products and corn
>passed off as prescription food.

Checkmate!  I asked you a specific question and you duck and dodge as if you
are the World Champion of Dodgeball!!  LOL!  Let's try again....what research
has Old Mother Hubbard (she's not a real person you know!) done to garner your
recommendation of their products to treat a disease condition?  I'm still
waiting for an explanation from you as to why you can't disagree or argue your
point in a civil manner??  You act as if your 11 years old.

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>> While you're at it, since you are so
>> obviously a self-appointed expert on the
>> subject of OMH, what are the urinary pH
>> ranges of the canned foods that you are
>> feeding?

>Since you always tell others that ask you such questions to call the
>company, why don't you call them yourself? I'm not going to do your
>research for you.

I thought you knew, that's all.  Apparently you don't and you don't care to
find out.  You post other studies when you have them, so what's stopping you
here?  I suspect it's because you won't like the answer!  It would be
interesting to see what the pH range of their wellness diets are.  Especially
if you're attempting to treat FLUTD!!
 
 
 

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Post by zuz.. » Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:56:35


<snip politics, lies, misrepresentations and other garbage>

When you start bringing politics into a discussion which has nothing
whatsoever to do with them, and start peppering your posts with all
caps, you lose. Not to mention the fact that you previously posted a
"goodbye" post, yet here you are again, lying and misrepresenting what
I've said without providing any proof. This is typical and right along
the lines of your insistence that Wellness contains "bacteria from
feces" (and yes that is a direct quote from you which I can easily back
up) and your assertion that the bacteria was derived from 4D animals
(which I can also easily back up.)

You have spent your entire usenet existence doing nothing but searching
for food issues to argue about. You proclaim regularly that others have
an "agenda" but you refuse to take a long hard look in the mirror and
admit that you are not only the worst offender with a singular motive,
but a hypocrite as well. You have no other reason for being here other
than to argue about food, and I don't see you making any effort to ever
help anyone with problems or give any kind of advice that isn't related
somehow to Hills foods.

If you want to spend (waste) your (and our) time on newsgroups going
round and round about the same old ***you always spew, you'll have to
do it by yourself. I've proved my points many times over, and I've also
answered your questions, and your denial of the facts and your claims
that I haven't doesn't change reality.

Maybe you didn't notice, but you are probably one of the most despised
posters on the cat and dog groups, and apparently it also didn't occur
to you that when you cultivate that type of feeling towards you, nobody
listens and you accomplish nothing more than ending up in most people's
killfiles. You're not here to help. You're here to promote an agenda and
endless arguments. If, as I and others sometimes suspect, Hill's is
behind your presence here, I don't think they realize just how much
damage you're doing to their already sullied reputation.

I also noticed that you just couldn't bring yourself to make a simple
phone call to OMH and find out the ph range of their foods is, but you
then accuse me of being afraid of the answer. I already knew the answer
and the range is a good one designed to maintain a neutral to slightly
lower ph just like your beloved Hills foods. Your refusal to, again, do
your own research proves once again that it is *you* that are afraid of
what you will find.

Megan

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

 
 
 

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Post by Holl » Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:01:09


Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.  Megan, I forgot to look at
your original recommendations--several of which I have
implemented--thank you for posting them again.

Cosequin and Cystaid have been recommened--are these variations on the
same type of supplement?  The vet has suggested Elavil
(amitriptyline).  I will talk to her tomorrow about these products.
The vet also said my cat has no crystals in her urine--would that make
a difference in the need for these supplements?

Thanks again for all of your advice.

Holly

Quote:


> > A few weeks ago I posted a message about my cat's strange peeing
> > behaviors and several of you suggested she might have interstitial
> > cystitis or some other physical problem.  Well, you were right.  She
> > was found to have *** in her urine and the vet suspected IC.  She
> > has since been on antibiotics, but there has been no improvement and
> > she still has *** in her urine.  The vet wants to start her on
> > Amitryptiline.  I am leery of giving her this--are there any
> > alternatives to this medication?  Any other recommendations?  I have
> > started giving her wet food and will slowly get her off the dry.

> > Are there any groups specifically for IC or FLUTD?  I haven't found
> > any so far.

> > Thanks,

> > Holly

> I have seen cats with IC respond to Elavil.  But you need to combine
> it with antibiotics to take care of any infection.

> -L.

 
 
 

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Post by zuz.. » Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:33:08


Quote:

>Cosequin and Cystaid have been
>recommened--are these variations on the
>same type of supplement?

I think Cystaid is similar but is sold in the UK. Cosequin is available
in the US.

Quote:
>The vet has suggested Elavil
>(amitriptyline). I will talk to her tomorrow
>about these products. The vet also said
>my cat has no crystals in her urine--would
>that make a difference in the need for
>these supplements?

No. Generally, with IC you don't see crystals, just inflammation,
irritation and *** in the urine. A cat with IC needs Cosequin
regardless of whether there is the presence of crystals. Urine itself
can also cause irritation. ***, etc. when it gets through the flaws in
the protective layer, aka***layer, of the bladder. That's why it is
important to supplement with the Cosequin so that the layer rebuilds and
flaws in that layer are corrected. It is also thought that
supplementation has painkilling and anti-inflammatory effects, which is
similar to some of the effects people with arthritis achieve by taking
glucosamine/chondroiton supplements.

Megan

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.moonsgarden.com/

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

 
 
 

Interstitial cystitis diagnosis

Post by GAUBSTE » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:06:57


Quote:

>Date: 7/27/04 7:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time


><snip politics, lies, misrepresentations and other garbage>

...typical of you to change the subject when you lose the argument!!  LOL!!!!!!

Quote:
>When you start bringing politics into a discussion which has nothing
>whatsoever to do with them, and start peppering your posts with all
>caps, you lose.

ALL CAPS is designed for EMPHASIS.  If you don't like it, then tough cookies!
I don't appreciate you calling me a liar and then not being able to back it up,
so I suppose we're even.  ;)

Quote:
>Not to mention the fact that you previously posted a
>"goodbye" post, yet here you are again, lying and misrepresenting what
>I've said without providing any proof.

I never posted a "goodbye" post.  I was dismissing you since you couldn't
answer a couple simple questions without resorting to smear tactics and
namecalling.  I'll remain here for as long as I deem neccessary.

Quote:
>This is typical and right along
>the lines of your insistence that Wellness contains "bacteria from
>feces" (and yes that is a direct quote from you which I can easily back
>up) and your assertion that the bacteria was derived from 4D animals
>(which I can also easily back up.)

I have NEVER (oops, there's that dang, pesky "ALL CAPS" that you don't like,
excuse me your highness) stated that enterococcous faecium (which IS a bacteria
found in feces--go look it up) was derived from 4D animals. I have NEVER said
that.  I really do think you have me confused with someone else.

Quote:
>You have spent your entire usenet existence doing nothing but searching
>for food issues to argue about.

WRONGO!  Boy, for someone who fancies herself so smart, you are waaay off on a
lot of things!

Quote:
>You proclaim regularly that others have
>an "agenda" but you refuse to take a long hard look in the mirror and
>admit that you are not only the worst offender with a singular motive,
>but a hypocrite as well.

I've stated this several times before:  my only "agenda" is to counter people
that incessently bash Hill's for no good reason.  I'll back up my statements
and opinions with facts.  Those are pesky things that get in your way
sometimes, I know!  ;)

Quote:
>You have no other reason for being here other
>than to argue about food, and I don't see you making any effort to ever
>help anyone with problems or give any kind of advice that isn't related
>somehow to Hills foods.

I've done that several times in the past, usually in private emails.

Quote:
>If you want to spend (waste) your (and our) time on newsgroups going
>round and round about the same old ***you always spew, you'll have to
>do it by yourself. I've proved my points many times over, and I've also
>answered your questions, and your denial of the facts and your claims
>that I haven't doesn't change reality.

No, Megan, you convientently ignore certain questions put to you.  That's okay,
I just figure you're ducking because you have something to hide.  Pretty much
like this whole response of yours that I'm currently responding to.

Quote:
>You're not here to help. You're here to promote an agenda and
>endless arguments.

Again, I lurked on this ng for quite awhile before I decided to jump in and
defend Hill's against a certain segment that likes to make emotional decisions
instead of fact-based decisions.  Most people don't like being told they're
wrong, I understand that.  But the many times I've discussed the importance of
nutrients vs. ingredients, the games played with packaging and labeling, etc.,
etc,........... nobody has been able to prove me wrong.  Because on those
issues, I'm not.  Just because what I post doesn't fit your template and
contradicts your belief system, doesn't mean that I am a "liar" or anything
else bad.  You simply get frustrated when you are directly challenged and you
respond with a petulant tantrum and mudslinging almost every time.  :(

Quote:
>If, as I and others sometimes suspect, Hill's is
>behind your presence here, I don't think they realize just how much
>damage you're doing to their already sullied reputation.

There you go again with "sullied reputation".  That is a flat out lie!  You
hate Hill's with a passion (I don't know why), and you ignore the facts that
Hill's Pet Nutrition has led the way for over 55+ years of small animal
research and innovation.  I don't think there is another company that does so
much to further the well-being of companion animals to the extent that Hill's
does.  Yet, you can't say one good thing about them.

Quote:
>I also noticed that you just couldn't bring yourself to make a simple
>phone call to OMH and find out the ph range of their foods is, but you
>then accuse me of being afraid of the answer. I already knew the answer
>and the range is a good one designed to maintain a neutral to slightly
>lower ph just like your beloved Hills foods.

........yet, you didn't post that information.  You have no problem providing
studies to support your other arguments,  so a reasonable question one would
ask you is, "why, do you now refuse to post the info you think you have"?

Is the pH range of Wellness products within the range of 6.2-6.4??  Hmmm??