Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Description of your first forum.

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Mike Pollman » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:31:07



Hi-

I'm having an issue with my two cats which I believe relates to food
allergies.  I have a 2.5 year old female (spayed) named Sabrina and a 4
year old male (neutered) named Beavis.  Both are DSH.  

Over the past 9 months or so, Sabrina has been exhibiting problems of
excessive grooming and resulting hair loss.  This has been primarily on
her front legs and abdomen.  It comes and goes and never gets extremely
bad.  This has led to several different attempts of treatments by vets
including amitryptaline (sp?) for trying to fix anxiety and steroids
(both injections and pills).  These attempts have met with limited
success.  About 2 months ago, Sabrina started having problems with
regurgitating meals.  She was vomiting within 5-10 minutes after eating
fairly regularly.  This led to the vet suggesting using a limited
ingredient diet.  We purchased a bag of Innovative Veterinary Diets:
Green Peas & Rabbit Formula.  

Sabrina's vomitting went away within 3 days of the food switch.  The vet
indicated that if it was a food allergy related problem it should have
taken longer to go away, so it may have been caused by something else.  
In any case, I kept the cats on the prescription food for a couple
weeks.

Then my older cat, Beavis, began to have problems.  He started having
extreme problems with vomitting.  He was vomitting about every 4-6 hours
regularly.  Often it was just dry heaving and/or just stomach acid that
came up.  I got him to the vet and they were concerned about a blockage.  
Radiology (with barium) showed no blockages and an overactive bowel.  
The barium got from his mouth to large intestine in about 4-5 hours.  
The vet decided to give him a shot of steroids followed by ***steroids
under the assumption that the condition was irritable bowel syndrome.  
His best guess was that it was caused by the new food, although he
hadn't heard of a limited ingredient diet causing such a problem.  He
then advised we switch back to our original food.

It is now a month later, and Sabrina has begun vomitting again.  It
isn't after every meal, but has been every couple days lately.  Usually
she vomits right after a meal.  However, this time around, she often has
some partially-digested food from a previous meal come up in her vomit
as well.  Some food is still staying down since she is still having
stools.  

At this point, I don't know what to do.  I am worried that switching to
the prescription food will introduce the more severe vomitting problems
in my older cat, yet I don't want my younger cat to have problems
either.  It is also a possibility that some of this is hairball related,
although I have been giving Sabrina hairball-gel every day for the past
week and she still vomitted again today.

I'm going to call my vet tomorrow, but I would like advice from anyone
who has run into something similar to my situation.  Outwardly, it would
seem that I have two cats that can't readily take each others food.  
There's really no reasonable way to feed them seperately, and I still
would like to know for sure if this is allergy related or not.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Mike

P.S. - Their normal food is Purina One (Salmon & Tuna flavor) which has
a poultry/fish base for proteins.  The cats are free-fed.

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Darni » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:52:23


Quote:

>At this point, I don't know what to do.  I am worried that switching to
>the prescription food will introduce the more severe vomitting problems
>in my older cat, yet I don't want my younger cat to have problems
>either.  

Hi Mike.  Sorry to hear about your troubles.  I do find it kind of strange that
both cats are exhibiting similar symptoms, i.e. vomitting.  Have you changed to
any new kind of cleaner, new carpet, painted, etc.?

_________
=^..^=
Mickey and Meesha:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Mike Pollman » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:44:30



Quote:

> Hi Mike.  Sorry to hear about your troubles.  I do find it kind of strange that
> both cats are exhibiting similar symptoms, i.e. vomitting.  Have you changed to
> any new kind of cleaner, new carpet, painted, etc.?

Nope, nothing of the sort.  The older cat, who had the more severe
symptoms, seemed to only have them after the switch to the new
(prescription) food.  Not sure if that's the cause or not, but the
combination of steroid therapy and reverting back to his original food
made the problem clear up within days.  

My younger cat is the one currently having problems, but it's only been
every 2-3 days, and just started last week.  

- Mike

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by MAEP » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:03:44


Though I can't make any guess as to whether the cats' problems are indeed food
related, if you are getting good results with different diets, it sounds to me
like you'll need to feed different diets to each cat. This would mean you'd
have to stop free feeding (if you are now) and feed each cat separate food,
monitoring them while they eat to make sure they each stick to their own food.
That way the younger one can eat IVD and the older the original diet.

Other possibility is to find a food they both tolerate though I wouldn't try
too many things if switches seem to put the older cat under intestinal duress.
I'd suggest looking into Wysong. They make and Anergen formula for allergic
cats. The Anergen formula I've found in pet stores is Feline/Canine and says to
only feed to cats intermittently. They do, however, have a Feline formula that
is ok to feed exclusively. It's lamb and rice. You don't say what the food
you're using now is. If it's lamb-based, then the Wysong won't work as an
alternate protein source diet. I should say that I haven't tried this food (my
cats are eating IVD VEnison and Peas supplemented with Wysong's 100% meat
Venison canned) so I can't speak to its effectiveness, palatability, etc.

Anna

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by rr.. » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:22:14


On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:31:07 GMT, Mike Pollmann

Quote:

>I'm going to call my vet tomorrow, but I would like advice from anyone
>who has run into something similar to my situation.  Outwardly, it would
>seem that I have two cats that can't readily take each others food.  
>There's really no reasonable way to feed them seperately, and I still
>would like to know for sure if this is allergy related or not.

>Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

>Thanks,
>Mike

>P.S. - Their normal food is Purina One (Salmon & Tuna flavor) which has
>a poultry/fish base for proteins.  The cats are free-fed.

I'm not sure if this will help you or not.  I had some trouble that
seemed like early signs of a food allergy with my cat.  My vet gave me
the option of trying an elimination diet, or just trying a food
without corn or wheat (since those are the two most likely things for
cats to be allergic to).  Since the symptoms weren't really obvious
(increased scratching at their ears and some thinning of the fur by
them), I decided to go with the second option.  Since then the cats
have been much better.  I'm not sure if it was an allergy, or if it's
just a result of being on better-quality food.  (Almost by definition,
all of the corn and wheat free foods I can find are the
super-premiums.)  You might try California Natural if you can find it
out by you.  It's a chicken and rice based food, so it won't help if
your cat is allergic to chicken.  

Also, if the cats are throwing up shortly after eating, it may be
because they are bolting their food.  You might want to try putting
objects like golf balls or large clean rocks in their dishes, so that
they have to eat around them.  That will slow them down, and may help.

Rebecca

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Darni » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:54:26


Quote:

>My younger cat is the one currently having problems, but it's only been
>every 2-3 days, and just started last week.  

I'm sorry but I really don't know what to tell you.  One thing I experienced
with one of my cats was when the food was cold, she would sometimes throw up.
So then I would let it reach room temp and she seemed to be fine.

I think Anna has some good advice about feeding your cats separately and not
free feeding.  I wanted to also mention that I have used Wysong food and IMO
it's a very good food.  

Best of luck and keep us posted.

Lauren

_________
=^..^=
Mickey and Meesha:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Mike Pollman » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:19:36



Quote:

> I'm sorry but I really don't know what to tell you.  One thing I experienced
> with one of my cats was when the food was cold, she would sometimes throw up.
> So then I would let it reach room temp and she seemed to be fine.

> I think Anna has some good advice about feeding your cats separately and not
> free feeding.  I wanted to also mention that I have used Wysong food and IMO
> it's a very good food.  

Update:

I called my vet this morning, and he suggested going back to the
prescription limited-ingredient food since it was unlikely that Beavis
was having a reaction to it.  I put it out this morning.  Beavis ate
some of this about an hour ago, and just now vomitted it back up.  He
hasn't vomitted since his severe problems 2-3 weeks ago, so I am highly
suspicious now that this prescription food is the culprit.  

It would seem that I need to find a third food option that both cats can
eat.  I really don't know how to go about doing this.  I am considering
what another poster said and looking for a premium food that doesn't
contain corn or wheat.  Feeding them seperately will be difficult since
they often eat at the same time.  Also, with the upcoming holidays and
someone watching my cats for me, I would prefer to not have to have
someone monitor all of the meals.  (BTW, some of the cat food packaging
I've read actually recommends "free-feeding".  Is this the preferred way
to do it overall?)

What really baffles me is what my older cat could have a reaction to in
a "limited ingredient" food.  It's not like he's ever been exposed to
Rabbit or Green Peas before!

Thanks for the continued help everyone..

- Mike

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Darni » Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:37:00



Quote:
>It would seem that I need to find a third food option that both cats can
>eat.  I really don't know how to go about doing this.  I am considering
>what another poster said and looking for a premium food that doesn't
>contain corn or wheat.

I would definitely check out the Wysong line.  I would also get their F-Biotic
which provides micronutrients, probiotics and enzymes.    They also have a
product called PDG that is for undernourished or deblitated animals.  Then they
have a whole food line too.  I have the link for the website somewhere.  I'll
see if I can find it for you.  

Quote:
>(BTW, some of the cat food packaging
>I've read actually recommends "free-feeding".  Is this the preferred way
>to do it overall?)

I personally don't believe in free feeding. From all the books I've read on
feline nutrition, it is not recommended..  I wonder sometimes if they put that
on the label so you use it up quicker.  

Good luck and keep us posted.

Lauren

_________
=^..^=
Mickey and Meesha:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Mike Pollman » Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:55:25


Another Update:

After researching foods all day, I picked up a bag of Sensible Choice
Chicken/Rice dry food yesterday.  Both cats seem to like it and I have
not had any vomitting from either thus far.  I hope this food works ok
for both of them.

Related side-topic:  My older cat seems to have an immediate reaction
the Rabbit/Green Peas food now (as seen yesterday).  That would mean
that he built up an adverse reaction to it when he was initially on the
food for 2 weeks before having problems.  Is this about normal for this
type of situation to occur?  I'm interested in the science of how this
happens, and the interrelation of food reactions & IBD, which the vet
thinks was causing all of his vomitting problems.

Has anyone heard of a cat having a problem with a supposed hypo-
allergenic food?

- Mike

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by MAEP » Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:29:34


Mike,
I'm so glad you found a food that seems to work for both of them. I can just
imagine you,*** out at home with one ear peeled for those unmistakable
sounds of kitty upchuck. Here's hoping they continue to do well on the Sensible
Choice and you can relax.

I don't know how the food is related to IBD for your older cat. Maybe it's a
condition he has and it was exacerbated by the IVD Rabbit & Peas. I know some
foods give my kitties diarrhea so maybe the IVD was just something he was
sensitive to. I can't really remember how your vet came up with a diagnosis of
IBD. I thought the only definitive way to diagnose IBD was with endoscopy. But
don't quote me. I haven't had any experience with the disorder except for one
time my vet thought recurrent diarrhea in my cat might be IBD and he said we'd
have to do an endoscopy to be sure. Never got to that though so my experience
is very limited.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help but glad the cats are doing well.

Anna

 
 
 

Help: Food Allergies/Vomitting

Post by Mike Pollman » Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:23:19



says...

Quote:
> I don't know how the food is related to IBD for your older cat. Maybe it's a
> condition he has and it was exacerbated by the IVD Rabbit & Peas. I know some
> foods give my kitties diarrhea so maybe the IVD was just something he was
> sensitive to. I can't really remember how your vet came up with a diagnosis of
> IBD. I thought the only definitive way to diagnose IBD was with endoscopy. But
> don't quote me. I haven't had any experience with the disorder except for one
> time my vet thought recurrent diarrhea in my cat might be IBD and he said we'd
> have to do an endoscopy to be sure. Never got to that though so my experience
> is very limited.

The vet came to the IBD diagnosis mostly through deduction and other
test results.  Based on the severe vomitting symptoms (all told he was
vomitting every 4-5 hours for about a week straight) and the lack of any
evidence of an obstruction or other illness (barium radiography, ***
tests), the only ideas he had left were cancer-related or IBD.  Steroids
were used under the assumption that it was most likely IBD and this,
combined with returning to his original food, cleared up the problems
within 2 days.  During the whole ordeal he had also brought up the
possibility of exploratory surgery and endoscopy/biospy but didn't think
they were necessary based on what he had ruled out.

Heck, maybe it wasn't actually IBD, and just a severe food reaction.  
That's why I brought up the topic - was hoping someone had information
on how the two interrelate and how you can differentiate between
conditions.

Thanks for all the help!  :)

- Mike